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    Wow looking for answers / ideas to what happen

    Hey Gang,

    I have a Maximus XI Apex that went nuts this morning. Getting all kinds of codes 61 or b1, 78, 7F, 04 as error codes that lock up the system. It was running perfect and I mean perfect for at least the last 6 months. OC worked well and stabile and no software problems other than Aura Sync.

    I turned it on this morning, It automatically shut down and restarted on it's own (like bios changes) and then locked up at B1 or 61 and would not post at all. It locked up hard to the point power up/down was the only reset. I got ASUS in chat on my laptop and we did everything remove battery, clear cmos, reloaded bios etc. It was stuck solid at b1 or 61. I flipped the memOK button and was able to sloppily enter bios. The machine lost everything, RAID profile and common settings. It was like the motherboard just zeroed out it's NVRAM or something around bios. It remembered nothing. I messed with it all morning and loaded all defaults in bios and recovered raid setting. It boots but it is so unstable blue screening with completely different issues almost every time.

    Did this motherboard just lose it's marbles. I was told by asus to send it in and they gave me rma number.

    What do you guys think happen and do you think all the issues are MB related and not windows. when I get into windows sometimes it runs and sometimes it blue screens with page fault or memory manager issues etc..

    Let me know what you think. I guess I will RMA but was trying to fix before I go through that. I need to buy another MAXIMUS XI Apex but don't see them for sale lately. Bad part is I have the Double Capacity ram and are kind of locked into that board or gene which would be a downgrade.

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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array ninezerofive PC Specs
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    Sorry to hear that brother. Have you taken ram out of the equation ? Have some simpler ram sticks laying around that you can test?

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    If I were you, I'd remove the RAM and try single sticks in recommended slot and test a known good stick in various slots...see if a DIMM has gone rogue or if a slot has...

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    it's hardware for sure. Nothing in windows would result in these symptoms.

    I agree with those above. Strip the system. Pull any PCIE cards, connect only your OS drive, try one stick of ram and see if you can boot with stability consistently. Add back items after that and see what happens. If you cannot get into UEFI with one stick and basic components, then its the MOBO, CPU or PSU.

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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array 1mluer PC Specs
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    I am thinking it could be nvram issue / bios storage issue. It all of a sudden that morning it forgot all of it's settings and under volted everything ie: CPU showed .85 volts. When I can get the machine to go back into bios, I manually set the voltages where they should be and boom it runs all day not one issue or crash. I turn the machine off for the night and the next day it repeats all the same symptoms and crashes until I get it to go back into bios so I can reset. Then its off working great again like nothing happened.

    I think it's a motherboard issue. The Ram works perfect and my cinebench runs are still very high with no crashes under load. I am not getting any ram errors. But when it locks up hard, it's usually a lot of 61's nvram installation errors. I can coherse it by restarting, complete power offs, and or using some of the OC features on the MB to change behavior to get it to move past that error and post. I pulled the battery and tested it.. solid 3 volts and at the same time should of reset bios / nvram. Does this make sense ?
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    Finally got my RMA created and the board sent off. It got to the point where it just locked up on Q code 61 and wouldn't budge. I swapped out the memory with no change to behavior. The MB is done at this point. Hopefully I can get it fixed.

    I was thinking moving to X299 if this can't get handled. Not really encouraged by what I am reading about I9-10980XE and X299 HEDT platform in general. Not sure what to think yet.
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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array ninezerofive PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1mluer View Post
    Finally got my RMA created and the board sent off. It got to the point where it just locked up on Q code 61 and wouldn't budge. I swapped out the memory with no change to behavior. The MB is done at this point. Hopefully I can get it fixed.

    I was thinking moving to X299 if this can't get handled. Not really encouraged by what I am reading about I9-10980XE and X299 HEDT platform in general. Not sure what to think yet.
    By the way I sold my Apex and got a Ryzen 5 3600 for now. I am thinking of upgrading to 4950X next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1mluer View Post
    Finally got my RMA created and the board sent off. It got to the point where it just locked up on Q code 61 and wouldn't budge. I swapped out the memory with no change to behavior. The MB is done at this point. Hopefully I can get it fixed.

    I was thinking moving to X299 if this can't get handled. Not really encouraged by what I am reading about I9-10980XE and X299 HEDT platform in general. Not sure what to think yet.
    Hi,
    3950x would be a better choice games well probably way better than any x299 series which has a stinking low cache which makes it terrible for gaming.

    If your memory is 3200C14 it will work great on amd
    If not C14 you'd have to search qvl list on boards.

    x299 and 10 series well it's just a fire sell for nothing new to release
    Intel really crapping their shorts because they couldn't undermine amd release once again but intel still looks like swiss cheese security holeware

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninezerofive View Post
    By the way I sold my Apex and got a Ryzen 5 3600 for now. I am thinking of upgrading to 4950X next year.
    LOL wow you change a lot.. first it was GENE, then APEX to what ?

    Did you stay ROG ?
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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array 1mluer PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
    Hi,
    3950x would be a better choice games well probably way better than any x299 series which has a stinking low cache which makes it terrible for gaming.

    If your memory is 3200C14 it will work great on amd
    If not C14 you'd have to search qvl list on boards.

    x299 and 10 series well it's just a fire sell for nothing new to release
    Intel really crapping their shorts because they couldn't undermine amd release once again but intel still looks like swiss cheese security holeware
    I will have to buy new memory. I have the NEW Double Capacity memory designed for GENE and APEX this go around. It's awesome ram but doesn't work with any non DC configured RAM slots. I am not sure I can go AMD. I built and AMD system about 15 years ago and it sucked pretty bad after all the hype on it. I guess they are better now with Threadripper but I still have AMD stamped on my tough and can't get rid of the taste yet.

    Plus, as some point it really doesn't matter how many cores you have if you don't have anything to use them for. Photoshop still runs the best on I9-9900K by far than any other platform. video editing is only a hobby here and is only a 2 times a year event if that ..
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