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    Quote Originally Posted by Minh Le View Post
    It's Intel problem
    Asus BIOS is set up to not allow the Intel Management Engine region to be overwritten with a BIOS update.
    In addition, Intel does not allow you to flash ME firmware with older versions (depending on the SVN number) by design.

    It is the combination of these two that does not allow you to roll back by flashing ME firmware via a BIOS update or a direct ME flash.

    The posted firmware are not official in that Asus has not tested and approved them for their motherboards. Caveat Emptor.
    Last edited by geneo; 05-26-2022 at 03:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l0r3d View Post
    I just bought the MSI brand for the first time , I can downgrade Intel Management Firmware with flashing previous Bios. Asus can't do that. Why ?
    That's exactly what I was saying, it is stilll possible to roll back with some heavy tweaks with the strict condition of that specific SVN number, that Geneo mentionned !

    Quote Originally Posted by geneo View Post
    Asus BIOS is set up to not allow the Intel Management Engine region to be overwritten with a BIOS update.
    In addition, Intel does not allow you to flash ME firmware with older versions (depending on the SVN number) by design.

    It is the combination of these two that does not allow you to roll back by flashing ME firmware via a BIOS update or a direct ME flash.

    The posted firmware are not official in that Asus has not tested and approved them for their motherboards. Caveat Emptor.
    You need the software I mentionned above to check if the SVN are matching, or at least on the same security range/number/serial, which is often not the case.
    Check with the software I've shared with you, try to find how to roll back (it is possible but really tricky) and come back.
    Btw, did you try all the manipulations I have posted already about clearing CMOS ? It should work since it worked for all of us so far ...

    Regards
    Last edited by Tekamine; 05-26-2022 at 07:19 AM.

  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekamine View Post
    That's exactly what I was saying, it is stilll possible to roll back with some heavy tweaks with the strict condition of that specific SVN number, that Geneo mentionned !



    You need the software I mentionned above to check if the SVN are matching, or at least on the same security range/number/serial, which is often not the case.
    Check with the software I've shared with you, try to find how to roll back (it is possible but really tricky) and come back.
    Btw, did you try all the manipulations I have posted already about clearing CMOS ? It should work since it worked for all of us so far ...

    Regards
    I try all the manipulations with 10700k but, If i turn on my computer with (ac) cable power connector from wall first time, its take 2 times restart. And then my computer look normal. The funny thing is if my computer standby mode, then i turn it on my computer boot normaly. If i use My 11900k can not work. It is weird. Any help? Thanks

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    I don't seem to be able to change the BCLK in BIOS to anything other than 100 MHz without boot looping either.

    I would stay well away form this version. It has serious issues.

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    I left my looping Z490 in the store today for RMA. There, the board booted with a 10x00 CPU. Seems the problem is the combination of the Z490 + ME + 11x00 CPUs.
    Last edited by jrmpt; 05-28-2022 at 12:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmpt View Post
    I left my looping Z490 in the store today for RMA. There, the board booted with a 10x00 CPU. Seems the problem is the combination of the Z490 + ME + 11x00 CPUs.
    Hope they ll take it as a RMA situation, in the end, that is Asus fault that their ME firmware/drivers arnt up to date and full of security leaks... Mokuchi is releasing those firmware for us, Asus users to be up to date... MSI is already on 15.XXX version on their official website...
    I am still stuck to those 1969 version, working with AI suite, but can not tweak the BIOS anymore. Waiting for Asus to realease a BIOS is as if you ll wait for an unicorn it seems. And Z490/590 respresents mb the largest high end users nowadays, but ...
    Good luck for you.

    @Geneo, can you check your latency with latencymon (in kernel mode options), please ? I am stuck to 12ms because of kernel and nvidia drivers issues... Didnt find any way so far to come back around 1/2 ms latency. OC or not ...
    If you could keep me in touch. Ty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekamine View Post
    Hope they ll take it as a RMA situation, in the end, that is Asus fault that their ME firmware/drivers arnt up to date and full of security leaks... Mokuchi is releasing those firmware for us, Asus users to be up to date... MSI is already on 15.XXX version on their official website...
    I am still stuck to those 1969 version, working with AI suite, but can not tweak the BIOS anymore. Waiting for Asus to realease a BIOS is as if you ll wait for an unicorn it seems. And Z490/590 respresents mb the largest high end users nowadays, but ...
    Good luck for you.

    @Geneo, can you check your latency with latencymon (in kernel mode options), please ? I am stuck to 12ms because of kernel and nvidia drivers issues... Didnt find any way so far to come back around 1/2 ms latency. OC or not ...
    If you could keep me in touch. Ty
    I don't see at all how this is Asus fault at all. They did not provide or publish this firmware, so they did not test it on their boards, or did and found issues with it so did not publish it. The security issue that this resolves requires physical access to your machine, which should not be a concern for home users. Mokichu is providing untested, unoffical firmware. While that is laudable you are taking a risk when you flash it - it is untested. Mocichu doesn't test it and can't across the myriad of motherboards. You should understand this before you macke a decision to flash it.

    Asus really can't test every version of ME on their older motherboards. I expect they make a decision on whether or not a ME vulnerability warrants the effort. As I said in this case it requires physical access (as do most ME firmare vulnerabilities).

    It is easy to lay blame, but the only blame here is upon the user, who knows the risk and flashes, or that the risk is not conveyed sufficiently to the user by the publisher of the firmware. For me I blame myself as I know better.

    ME firmware is particularly risky as in general, you cannot roll back by design.
    Last edited by geneo; 05-28-2022 at 09:48 PM.

  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmpt View Post
    I left my looping Z490 in the store today for RMA. There, the board booted with a 10x00 CPU. Seems the problem is the combination of the Z490 + ME + 11x00 CPUs.
    Yeah i have that problem too, combination Z490 f with I9 11900k plus latest ME firmware is boot loop .And then i buy new motherboard MSI Z590 Gaming Force. Because that problem is annoying. And urgent situation.

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    Seems that the formula XII have some issues to accept the 11900K natively :

    https://www.overclock.net/threads/of...#post-28995162

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    OyOy New bios available for the formulas ! 2601 !

    I am scared to brick it again tho ...

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