[FIRMWARE] Intel ME (H470/Z490)

**geneo** · 05-26-2022 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Minh Le

It's Intel problem

Asus BIOS is set up to not allow the Intel Management Engine region to be overwritten with a BIOS update.
In addition, Intel does not allow you to flash ME firmware with older versions (depending on the SVN number) by design.

It is the combination of these two that does not allow you to roll back by flashing ME firmware via a BIOS update or a direct ME flash.

The posted firmware are not official in that Asus has not tested and approved them for their motherboards. Caveat Emptor.

**Tekamine** · 05-26-2022 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by l0r3d

I just bought the MSI brand for the first time , I can downgrade Intel Management Firmware with flashing previous Bios. Asus can't do that. Why ?

That's exactly what I was saying, it is stilll possible to roll back with some heavy tweaks with the strict condition of that specific SVN number, that Geneo mentionned !

Originally Posted by geneo

Asus BIOS is set up to not allow the Intel Management Engine region to be overwritten with a BIOS update.
In addition, Intel does not allow you to flash ME firmware with older versions (depending on the SVN number) by design.

It is the combination of these two that does not allow you to roll back by flashing ME firmware via a BIOS update or a direct ME flash.

The posted firmware are not official in that Asus has not tested and approved them for their motherboards. Caveat Emptor.

You need the software I mentionned above to check if the SVN are matching, or at least on the same security range/number/serial, which is often not the case.
Check with the software I've shared with you, try to find how to roll back (it is possible but really tricky) and come back.
Btw, did you try all the manipulations I have posted already about clearing CMOS ? It should work since it worked for all of us so far ...

Regards

**l0r3d** · 05-26-2022 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Tekamine

That's exactly what I was saying, it is stilll possible to roll back with some heavy tweaks with the strict condition of that specific SVN number, that Geneo mentionned !

You need the software I mentionned above to check if the SVN are matching, or at least on the same security range/number/serial, which is often not the case.
Check with the software I've shared with you, try to find how to roll back (it is possible but really tricky) and come back.
Btw, did you try all the manipulations I have posted already about clearing CMOS ? It should work since it worked for all of us so far ...

Regards

I try all the manipulations with 10700k but, If i turn on my computer with (ac) cable power connector from wall first time, its take 2 times restart. And then my computer look normal. The funny thing is if my computer standby mode, then i turn it on my computer boot normaly. If i use My 11900k can not work. It is weird. Any help? Thanks

**geneo** · 05-27-2022 12:40 AM

I don't seem to be able to change the BCLK in BIOS to anything other than 100 MHz without boot looping either.

I would stay well away form this version. It has serious issues.

**jrmpt** · 05-28-2022 12:19 PM

I left my looping Z490 in the store today for RMA. There, the board booted with a 10x00 CPU. Seems the problem is the combination of the Z490 + ME + 11x00 CPUs.

**Tekamine** · 05-28-2022 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by jrmpt

I left my looping Z490 in the store today for RMA. There, the board booted with a 10x00 CPU. Seems the problem is the combination of the Z490 + ME + 11x00 CPUs.

Hope they ll take it as a RMA situation, in the end, that is Asus fault that their ME firmware/drivers arnt up to date and full of security leaks... Mokuchi is releasing those firmware for us, Asus users to be up to date... MSI is already on 15.XXX version on their official website...
I am still stuck to those 1969 version, working with AI suite, but can not tweak the BIOS anymore. Waiting for Asus to realease a BIOS is as if you ll wait for an unicorn it seems. And Z490/590 respresents mb the largest high end users nowadays, but ...
Good luck for you.

@Geneo, can you check your latency with latencymon (in kernel mode options), please ? I am stuck to 12ms because of kernel and nvidia drivers issues... Didnt find any way so far to come back around 1/2 ms latency. OC or not ...
If you could keep me in touch. Ty

**geneo** · 05-28-2022 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tekamine

Hope they ll take it as a RMA situation, in the end, that is Asus fault that their ME firmware/drivers arnt up to date and full of security leaks... Mokuchi is releasing those firmware for us, Asus users to be up to date... MSI is already on 15.XXX version on their official website...
I am still stuck to those 1969 version, working with AI suite, but can not tweak the BIOS anymore. Waiting for Asus to realease a BIOS is as if you ll wait for an unicorn it seems. And Z490/590 respresents mb the largest high end users nowadays, but ...
Good luck for you.

@Geneo, can you check your latency with latencymon (in kernel mode options), please ? I am stuck to 12ms because of kernel and nvidia drivers issues... Didnt find any way so far to come back around 1/2 ms latency. OC or not ...
If you could keep me in touch. Ty

I don't see at all how this is Asus fault at all. They did not provide or publish this firmware, so they did not test it on their boards, or did and found issues with it so did not publish it. The security issue that this resolves requires physical access to your machine, which should not be a concern for home users. Mokichu is providing untested, unoffical firmware. While that is laudable you are taking a risk when you flash it - it is untested. Mocichu doesn't test it and can't across the myriad of motherboards. You should understand this before you macke a decision to flash it.

Asus really can't test every version of ME on their older motherboards. I expect they make a decision on whether or not a ME vulnerability warrants the effort. As I said in this case it requires physical access (as do most ME firmare vulnerabilities).

It is easy to lay blame, but the only blame here is upon the user, who knows the risk and flashes, or that the risk is not conveyed sufficiently to the user by the publisher of the firmware. For me I blame myself as I know better.

ME firmware is particularly risky as in general, you cannot roll back by design.

**l0r3d** · 05-29-2022 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by jrmpt

I left my looping Z490 in the store today for RMA. There, the board booted with a 10x00 CPU. Seems the problem is the combination of the Z490 + ME + 11x00 CPUs.

Yeah i have that problem too, combination Z490 f with I9 11900k plus latest ME firmware is boot loop .And then i buy new motherboard MSI Z590 Gaming Force. Because that problem is annoying. And urgent situation.

**Tekamine** · 06-05-2022 11:12 AM

Seems that the formula XII have some issues to accept the 11900K natively :

https://www.overclock.net/threads/of...#post-28995162

**Tekamine** · 06-21-2022 01:38 PM

OyOy New bios available for the formulas ! 2601 !

I am scared to brick it again tho ...

geneo PC Specs
Laptop (Model)	13" Macbook Pro M1
Motherboard	ROG Maximus XIII Hero (WiFi)
Processor	i9-10900k 5.2 GHz AVX0 all core, 1.28v
Memory (part number)	64 GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 4200 @ CL18
Graphics Card #1	Asus ROG Strix 2070 Super A8G
Sound Card	On-board
Monitor	EIZO Coloredge CG2730 and Viewsonic QHD displays
Storage #1	Hynix 2TB P43, WDC SN850 1TB, Samsung 980 1TB
Storage #2	1TB 850 x 1 TB 860 EVO RAID0, 6 TB WDC Black, 6TB IronWolf Pro
CPU Cooler	EK-AIO 360 D-RGB w/Phanteks T30 -120 fans, 1 Noctua Chromax 140 case fan
Case	Fractal Design Meshify 2 dark tint
Power Supply	750W Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium Plus
Keyboard	Glorious GMMK TKL
Mouse	Logitech G305
Headset	Bose QC15
Headset/Speakers	Vanatoo T1, Klipsch R-12SWi Sub
OS	Windows 11 Pro X64, 22H2
Network Router	Asus RT-AX82U + RT-AX86S mesh
Accessory #1	Logitech c920e webcam
Accessory #2	Sabrent DS-SC5B 5-Bay USB-C HDD docking station
Accessory #3	xrite i1 Display monitor calibration

Tekamine PC Specs
Laptop (Model)	Dell Inspiron 7400 (i7 11th/16gb ddr4 3600/14,5'' IPS 350nits/1.1kg/Aluminum case
Motherboard	Asus Formula Maximus XII Foruma/Bios 2403
Processor	Intel i9 10900KF@5.2Ghz All cores 1.32v
Memory (part number)	Gskill Trident Royale DDR4 4200CL16 1.48v
Graphics Card #1	EVGA RTX 3080Ti FTW3 ultra (+120core/+900 Mem)
Graphics Card #2	AMD RX 6700XT Sapphire Nitro + (wife rig ^^)
Graphics Card #3	Zotac GTX 1080Ti AMP Extreme
Sound Card	Asus essence STXII + Sennheiser GSX1200 Pro
Monitor	Asus ROG Strix 27" XG27AQM (QHD/0.5ms/270hz/G-sync)
Storage #1	Crucial P5 Nvme 1TB
Storage #2	Samsung 970 Evo+ nvme 500GB
CPU Cooler	NZXT Kraken X73
Case	Bequiet Dark Base Pro 900
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime Titanium TX94+ 1000W
Keyboard	Asus ROG Claymore II
Mouse	Glorious Model O- wireless/Finalmouse Starlight 12 (TBD)
Headset	Sennheiser g4me One/Sennheiser HD650
Mouse Pad	Asus ROG Sheath
Headset/Speakers	Q acoustics 3020i + Marantz CR-611
OS	Win 11 pro
Accessory #1	Asus ROG PG279Q
Accessory #2	Streamdeck Elgato + Logitech C922 + Elgato HD60 Pro + Asus Claymore I
Accessory #3	Streaming rig : i9 10870k/Msi MPG gaming Edge/16Gb Kingston hyper X fury 3200C15/EVGA GTX 980 FTW3

l0r3d PC Specs
Motherboard	ASUS ROG Strix Z 490-F
Processor	Core i 9 11900K
Memory (part number)	Corsair CMK16GX4M2D3600C18
Graphics Card #1	Zotac RTX 2070
Sound Card	ASUS Essence STX 2 7.1
Monitor	LG 27GN880
Storage #1	CARDEA ZERO Z440 1 TB
Storage #2	WD Black 4 TB
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-D15
Case	Corsair Obsidian 500D RGB
Power Supply	Enermax MaxTytan 800W
Keyboard	Corsair K70
Mouse	Razer Deathaddeer V2
Mouse Pad	SteelSeries
Headset/Speakers	Elipson Prestige Facet 6B BT
OS	Windows 10 / 11
Network Router	ASUS Zen WiFi AX

geneo PC Specs
Laptop (Model)	13" Macbook Pro M1
Motherboard	ROG Maximus XIII Hero (WiFi)
Processor	i9-10900k 5.2 GHz AVX0 all core, 1.28v
Memory (part number)	64 GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 4200 @ CL18
Graphics Card #1	Asus ROG Strix 2070 Super A8G
Sound Card	On-board
Monitor	EIZO Coloredge CG2730 and Viewsonic QHD displays
Storage #1	Hynix 2TB P43, WDC SN850 1TB, Samsung 980 1TB
Storage #2	1TB 850 x 1 TB 860 EVO RAID0, 6 TB WDC Black, 6TB IronWolf Pro
CPU Cooler	EK-AIO 360 D-RGB w/Phanteks T30 -120 fans, 1 Noctua Chromax 140 case fan
Case	Fractal Design Meshify 2 dark tint
Power Supply	750W Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium Plus
Keyboard	Glorious GMMK TKL
Mouse	Logitech G305
Headset	Bose QC15
Headset/Speakers	Vanatoo T1, Klipsch R-12SWi Sub
OS	Windows 11 Pro X64, 22H2
Network Router	Asus RT-AX82U + RT-AX86S mesh
Accessory #1	Logitech c920e webcam
Accessory #2	Sabrent DS-SC5B 5-Bay USB-C HDD docking station
Accessory #3	xrite i1 Display monitor calibration

Tekamine PC Specs
Laptop (Model)	Dell Inspiron 7400 (i7 11th/16gb ddr4 3600/14,5'' IPS 350nits/1.1kg/Aluminum case
Motherboard	Asus Formula Maximus XII Foruma/Bios 2403
Processor	Intel i9 10900KF@5.2Ghz All cores 1.32v
Memory (part number)	Gskill Trident Royale DDR4 4200CL16 1.48v
Graphics Card #1	EVGA RTX 3080Ti FTW3 ultra (+120core/+900 Mem)
Graphics Card #2	AMD RX 6700XT Sapphire Nitro + (wife rig ^^)
Graphics Card #3	Zotac GTX 1080Ti AMP Extreme
Sound Card	Asus essence STXII + Sennheiser GSX1200 Pro
Monitor	Asus ROG Strix 27" XG27AQM (QHD/0.5ms/270hz/G-sync)
Storage #1	Crucial P5 Nvme 1TB
Storage #2	Samsung 970 Evo+ nvme 500GB
CPU Cooler	NZXT Kraken X73
Case	Bequiet Dark Base Pro 900
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime Titanium TX94+ 1000W
Keyboard	Asus ROG Claymore II
Mouse	Glorious Model O- wireless/Finalmouse Starlight 12 (TBD)
Headset	Sennheiser g4me One/Sennheiser HD650
Mouse Pad	Asus ROG Sheath
Headset/Speakers	Q acoustics 3020i + Marantz CR-611
OS	Win 11 pro
Accessory #1	Asus ROG PG279Q
Accessory #2	Streamdeck Elgato + Logitech C922 + Elgato HD60 Pro + Asus Claymore I
Accessory #3	Streaming rig : i9 10870k/Msi MPG gaming Edge/16Gb Kingston hyper X fury 3200C15/EVGA GTX 980 FTW3

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