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    The Only Solution!

    Quote Originally Posted by TasmaN View Post
    Hi, everyone! Found some options: if set options like on my screenshot temperature of PCH is around 45-50C at idle. By default all of them are disabled...so no need to set a fan toward it. Maybe, ASUS should look this part of UEFI...
    Man, it's incredible! It works! Thanks a lot! We had 70-80c on PCH on our XIII Hero at IDLE, tried everything: bios updating etc. But it didn't help. You did!

    I'll repeat in text what people have to do to resolve this real problem:

    BIOS - Advanced - Platform Misc Configuration:

    PCI Express Native Power Management: Enabled
    Native ASPM: Disabled
    ---
    [PCH - PCI Express]
    DMI Link ASPM Control: Auto
    ASPM: Auto
    L1 Substates: Disabled
    ---
    [SA - PCI Express]
    DMI Link ASPM Control: Disabled (I have this option in the first line on 1007 Bios)
    DMI Gen3 ASPM Control: Auto
    DMI Gen3 ASPM: Auto
    PEG - ASPM: Auto

    Save & Exit

    Now we have 45-50c at idle, <55c at hard playing).
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    Thanks, TasmaN!

    PS.: I forgot to mention that the temperature was going down from 75 to 50 slowly, within 30 minutes maybe, so it's not a sensor bug.
    Last edited by HSteinway; 08-26-2021 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TasmaN View Post
    Hi, everyone! Found some options: if set options like on my screenshot temperature of PCH is around 45-50C at idle. By default all of them are disabled...so no need to set a fan toward it. Maybe, ASUS should look this part of UEFI...
    I too am concerned about the longevity of my M13HERO with the PCH running at such high temps all the time but what is suggested above is a terrible idea! I can't believe nobody questioned the reason why these settings are dropping idle temps by 20-30c

    By enabling ALL the power management features of the motherboard you are nuetering all your devices lol, you are essentially letting windows do power saving instead of your motherboard/bios doing them or disabling them. You are killing your pcie/M.2 SSD speeds and giving them a kind of wake up delay. Also Probably making your overclocks unstable, not too mention it affecting your expensive gpu etc etc etc.

    I didn't pay $500+ for a good overclocking Mobo and expensive CPU just to make it (and all the devices connected to it) run like an entry level $150 one.
    Heck if you want your CPU to run 30c+ cooler you can manually overclock it to 3200mhz and set a static voltage of about 1v too!

    I believe Asus should have at least made the chipset heatsink with slits in it that run all the way through the heatsink to optimize our casefans airflow.
    Also the reason why the chipset is running hot isn't because of PCIE 4.0
    but because the chipset runs at double the speed of the Z490 and previous Intel chipsets.
    On Z590, Intel has doubled the link speed, going from PCIe 3.0 x4 to x8. The jump to x8 effectively doubles the amount of bandwidth available for any chipset-connected devices (storage and networking for example). Additionally, the chipset now has native support for USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20 Gbps).

    That being said I'm open to other solutions to cool the chipset but ASPM is NOT an option IMO.
    Last edited by sdmf74; 09-23-2021 at 06:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdmf74 View Post

    I believe Asus should have at least made the chipset heatsink with slits in it that run all the way through the heatsink to optimize our casefans airflow.
    Also the reason why the chipset is running hot isn't because of PCIE 4.0
    but because the chipset runs at double the speed of the Z490 and previous Intel chipsets.
    On Z590, Intel has doubled the link speed, going from PCIe 3.0 x4 to x8. The jump to x8 effectively doubles the amount of bandwidth available for any chipset-connected devices (storage and networking for example). Additionally, the chipset now has native support for USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20 Gbps).

    That being said I'm open to other solutions to cool the chipset but ASPM is NOT an option IMO.
    Great explanation I was not aware of that, Makes perfect sense.

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    Something else to keep in mind. I was just going over my notes and when I first got this motherboard/CPU I had all the APSM bios settings enabled by accident
    (forgot to disable them) and I was getting hundreds of whea errors in the event viewer So if you are gonna restrict your cpu/chipset with power mangagement settings be sure to check your logs for WHEA errors. If you have them then disable all APSM settings in bios.

    Keep in mind im not 100% sure this was the cause but the errors did go away after disabling APSM, some other things to check if you are getting these types of errors:

    1. Raise Vcore Voltage (this was not the cause in my case but usually is the culprit for this type of error)
    2. Increase Dram Voltage slightly (even if using XMP)
    3. Lower System Agent and VCCIO memOC Voltages ( dont set these to auto voltages, find the lowest possible voltages for these as you would with vcore w/out sacrificing stability)
    System Agent has its own LLC setting now. I found that setting SA LLC to level 3 & setting SA voltage as low as possible kept it closest to what its set to in bios (least vdroop).

    With 3600mhz 16 16 16 36 ram 32gb kit overclocked to 3733mhz I was able to get them down to:
    SA-1.347v
    VCCIO mem oc-1.310v

    I have even seen Z590 OC guides recomending to leave these voltages set to AUTO when as high as 1.56v or more! Bad idea IMO
    Last edited by sdmf74; 09-27-2021 at 11:29 AM.

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    This motherboard is a joke!

    Hi all

    Just purchased the motherboard last week and, to my dismay, I'm also experiencing high PCH temperatures with my Maximus XIII Hero!

    I've been using Asus boards since Pentium II times (ASUS P2B), and Asus Hero boards since 4790K and never have I ever seen PCH temps so high!

    I was shocked when I had seen it and thought to myself - surely they forgot to put a thermal pad between the PCH and the heatsink so took the PCH heatsink apart and checked, but no, thermal pad is there, and it is of good quality too!

    BIOS updated to the latest available (1007), MEI updated to the latest available (15.0.23.1706 V5), all drivers in latest versions.
    CPU is not even overclocked (XMP applied though), VCCIO and VCCSA both manually set to 1.1V

    It is clear to me that Asus botched the PCH heatsink design, and worse yet, they covered what is already a crappy heatsink with a plastic cover! I'm sure RMA's for this board will be through the roof! I've already seen my PC BSOD multiple times and I've only had it running for a few days.

    Luckily I got my board from Amazon and after speaking to their customer service, they agreed to take the board back.
    A replacement is on order - and guess what, it isn't ASUS board for the first time in years for me!

    Overall, I must admit, I am very disappointed because, other than the crappy PCH heatsink design, it's one of the best equipped and engineered Z590 boards for the 11th gen Intel platform.

    I'm actually wondering, how the hell did this board pass QA checks???

    Oh, and to those ASUS PR guys saying that all is good and within spec - if so, why bother with a heatsink, surely there is no need for it? And it costs money to make, so might as well try and cut the cost and not include one at all!
    Maybe you should actually forward the concerns of your loyal user base to your engineering department, not try to make a bad situation go away with a bit of PR bull$h1t.
    And certainly learn from it to make sure mistakes like this don't happen!

    Below screenshot of my temps, with the plastic PCH cover removed, after about an hour of sitting idle at the desktop.
    Miniatura de Adjuntos Miniatura de Adjuntos PCH.jpg  

    Last edited by tflor; 10-02-2021 at 10:13 AM.

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    Please read the thread, if you had you would know that the reason for high PCH temps is not a defect, it is because Asus chose NOT to make the chipset PCI gen 4 but rather PCI gen 3 but double the speed of previous generations! So the chipset is running at x8 instead of x4. This creates more heat. They prolly did this cause they didnt want the extra cost & noise of adding a fan to the chipset like AMD did. They also added a ton of other features to the chipset like dual thunderbolt, dual Nics, extra M.2 slots etc. etc.
    I agree though that they could have put slits (for better airflow) in the chipset heatsink.

    If you exchange you're motherboard the only thing you are accomplishing is screwing yourself out of a quick & easy exchange in the event you encounter an "actual" defect in the next few weeks AND you risk screwing the rest of us out of great return/exchange policies by Amazon because people abuse their policies by returning perfectly fine hardware. You are just gonna get another motherboard with the same exact Non-issue.

    If you want to lower your chipset temperatures you can:
    1. Get a better case & fans with better airflow (Caselabs is coming back, maybe invest in a nice case)
    2. Disable some of the chipset hardware you are not using through the bios, ie One of the Nics (chances are you are not using both of them). Disable any SataIII & M.2 & PCIe ports you have nothing plugged into.
    3. Dont be a noise snob & turn up your fans, they are there for a reason.

    I was able to get my idle PCh temps down to... well currently it is sitting at 59c which is perfectly acceptable. I have all my APSM power saving features disabled.
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    Hey sdmf74

    Thanks for trying to be helpful, but I'm acutely familiar with the architecture of Z590 chipset - it wasn't ASUS' choice; ASUS don't design chipsets. It was Intel's decision to switch the DMI link speed from PCI-E 3.0 x4 to PCI-E 3.0 x8. As ASUS was engineering the motherboard, this should've been taken into account and PCH heatsink design beefed up to ensure the PCH is being cooled properly.

    I have read the thread through and through, ahead of writing up my 1st post, and as I'm sure you can agree, solutions posted here so far are half measures and not permanent fixes.

    The only two permanent solutions to this problem that I can envisage are:
    1) ASUS release new BIOS version, with PCH undervolted (unlikely as might cause instability; unless the PCH is overvolted in the current BIOS version)
    2) ASUS release a revised PCH heatsink and agree to supply at no additional cost, to all who purchased the board, and pull the existing inventory from the channel to apply the revised heatsink (extremely unlikely, as this would mean lost revenue and reputational damage - this would basically be ASUS admitting that this is a PCH heatsink design flaw)

    I'm unwilling to be applying half measures to limit the connectivity options which I paid for (and it isn't a cheap mobo we're talking about here), increasing fan speeds, buying new fans or cases - just to accommodate the product that should not have had this design flaw in the first place. It is your right of course to disagree with me and do all those things, if you prefer.

    I sincerely hope ASUS will own up to the problem and fix it, but given the choice between entrusting to a soul-less company and returning what I consider to be a flawed product, I choose the latter.

    And finally - I have returned my flawed Maximus XIII Hero motherboard, exercising my right of return, as any sane consumer would, and I would highly encourage everyone who can, to do the same. I purchased an ASUS MAXIMUS XIII Apex instead (best motherboard I could find with an actual PCH heatsink), and here are my temps (note that I didn't buy a new case or fans - neither of which I need; I didn't increase the fan speeds, nor did I apply any other shenanigans):
    Miniatura de Adjuntos Miniatura de Adjuntos PCH_2.jpg  

    Last edited by tflor; 10-07-2021 at 11:20 PM.

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    Hi

    Im having 73-75c for pch chipset
    Once my chipset was 88 c but then i tryed to give all my power cables on the board a firm press and one of the two top 8 pins was not fully pressed down since i heard a small click. That seems to make stuff runs stable and lowered my chipset to 75 ish.

    Also i want to tell you that if you use any RGB in ur pc from asus or any software, then you see a lighting serice running in task manager that eats 8 % of ur cpu and easy heat it with 5-10c. If you stop that serive then ur temps c will be better all round but ur RGB wont wont double edged blade here people

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    Ill try disable stuff i dont need in bios if that is the fix.

    What do you mean with remove plastic ? Like the whole casing with the rgb logo ?
    i got 3 m2 drives installed ?

    How do you even install a fan on there ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TasmaN View Post
    Hi, everyone! Found some options: if set options like on my screenshot temperature of PCH is around 45-50C at idle. By default all of them are disabled...so no need to set a fan toward it. Maybe, ASUS should look this part of UEFI...
    I tried your settings and my chipset temp dropped from about 75C to about 70C! A significant drop. Now I am wondering what I have compromised to get this reduction in chipset temp. Any idea?
    Last edited by singamer; 10-27-2021 at 10:53 AM.

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    I see people say they disabled apsm in their bios? what exactly will that do? anything negative?

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    My VCCIO on my 10900k runs at 1.152 and my VCCSA runs at 1.136
    I have disabled my thunderbolt ports, sata 5-6

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