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04-01-2021 09:24 PM #1
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04-01-2021 10:17 PM #2
EncodeGR PC Specs Motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero Processor Intel Core i7-11700K Memory (part number) Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL17 Memory Kit - Black (HX436C17PB4AK4/32) Graphics Card #1 MSI GTX 1070Ti Gaming X 8GB Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster Z Monitor Dell Ultrasharp U2520D 25" QHD IPS Storage #1 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 Nvme PCIe 4.0, 500 GB Storage #2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 Nvme PCIe 3.0, 1 TB CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12A Case Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X Glass - Black Power Supply Asus ROG Thor 850W Platinum Keyboard Logitech G915 TKL Lightspeed, Tactile Mouse Razer Basilisk V2 Headset Sennheiser Game-Zero Headset Mouse Pad Asus ROG Sheath XL Headset/Speakers Logitech Z333 2.1 Speakers OS Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Accessory #1 Noctua NF-A14 PWM (x6) Accessory #2 Phanteks Halos Lux Accessory #3 Phanteks Neon Digital-Rgb
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Hmm, very interesting, i'll give it a try.
However i've already fixed my coil whine by disabling the C-States of the CPU.
You see, i noticed that my problem was actually the *low* VCore voltage that was applied to the CPU, while idling, especially when idling + moving the mouse.
Maybe your coil whine had a different cause than mine, who knows.
It's good to see that it resolved your problem though, i will re-enable C-States and try it.
Thanks for the update on that topic !
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04-02-2021 01:45 AM #3
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Last edited by BigJohnny; 04-02-2021 at 01:47 AM.
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04-02-2021 08:31 PM #4
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I had this coil whine as well, but the AURA or Armoury Crate or whatever was not installed. So that was not the case with my system at all.
Disabling C-States worked, but I did not want to leave that disabled.
For me, I was using a 10900K, and the whine was only present when playing some video or audio file via some player, otherwise, the YT or whatever, did not produce the same result.
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04-04-2021 10:29 AM #5
EncodeGR PC Specs Motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero Processor Intel Core i7-11700K Memory (part number) Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL17 Memory Kit - Black (HX436C17PB4AK4/32) Graphics Card #1 MSI GTX 1070Ti Gaming X 8GB Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster Z Monitor Dell Ultrasharp U2520D 25" QHD IPS Storage #1 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 Nvme PCIe 4.0, 500 GB Storage #2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 Nvme PCIe 3.0, 1 TB CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12A Case Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X Glass - Black Power Supply Asus ROG Thor 850W Platinum Keyboard Logitech G915 TKL Lightspeed, Tactile Mouse Razer Basilisk V2 Headset Sennheiser Game-Zero Headset Mouse Pad Asus ROG Sheath XL Headset/Speakers Logitech Z333 2.1 Speakers OS Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Accessory #1 Noctua NF-A14 PWM (x6) Accessory #2 Phanteks Halos Lux Accessory #3 Phanteks Neon Digital-Rgb
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I'm afraid Lighting Service is not the cause of the problem for me either. I don't even have that service running.
It has to do with low VCore in relation to VID.Last edited by EncodeGR; 04-04-2021 at 10:37 AM.
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04-05-2021 08:26 AM #6
EncodeGR PC Specs Motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero Processor Intel Core i7-11700K Memory (part number) Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL17 Memory Kit - Black (HX436C17PB4AK4/32) Graphics Card #1 MSI GTX 1070Ti Gaming X 8GB Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster Z Monitor Dell Ultrasharp U2520D 25" QHD IPS Storage #1 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 Nvme PCIe 4.0, 500 GB Storage #2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 Nvme PCIe 3.0, 1 TB CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12A Case Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X Glass - Black Power Supply Asus ROG Thor 850W Platinum Keyboard Logitech G915 TKL Lightspeed, Tactile Mouse Razer Basilisk V2 Headset Sennheiser Game-Zero Headset Mouse Pad Asus ROG Sheath XL Headset/Speakers Logitech Z333 2.1 Speakers OS Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Accessory #1 Noctua NF-A14 PWM (x6) Accessory #2 Phanteks Halos Lux Accessory #3 Phanteks Neon Digital-Rgb
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This is clearly a VRM problem related to VCore changes.
I've tested it multiple times. Vcore fluctuations = Coil Whine.
Instead of disabling *all* C-States (which works), i tried a different approach.
I switched from Auto / Adaptive Voltage for VCore to Manual.
As expected, applying a fixed cpu voltage completely removes the coil whine issue.
I will also try to change the "VRM Switching Frequency" in Bios, as many people have suggested that it may solve the problem too.Last edited by EncodeGR; 04-05-2021 at 08:29 AM.
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04-05-2021 08:30 AM #7
Last edited by Silent Scone@ROG; 04-06-2021 at 06:05 AM.
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04-05-2021 01:27 PM #8
EncodeGR PC Specs Motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero Processor Intel Core i7-11700K Memory (part number) Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL17 Memory Kit - Black (HX436C17PB4AK4/32) Graphics Card #1 MSI GTX 1070Ti Gaming X 8GB Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster Z Monitor Dell Ultrasharp U2520D 25" QHD IPS Storage #1 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 Nvme PCIe 4.0, 500 GB Storage #2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 Nvme PCIe 3.0, 1 TB CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12A Case Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X Glass - Black Power Supply Asus ROG Thor 850W Platinum Keyboard Logitech G915 TKL Lightspeed, Tactile Mouse Razer Basilisk V2 Headset Sennheiser Game-Zero Headset Mouse Pad Asus ROG Sheath XL Headset/Speakers Logitech Z333 2.1 Speakers OS Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Accessory #1 Noctua NF-A14 PWM (x6) Accessory #2 Phanteks Halos Lux Accessory #3 Phanteks Neon Digital-Rgb
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Thank you for clarifying it Silent Scone. It makes sense.
So, let me see if i got this right. If for example i set an OC "By Core Usage" with Auto Voltage + V/F (and C-States Enabled) as follows:
1-core : 53x
2-core : 53x
3-core : 52x
4-core : 52x
5-core : 51x
6-core : 51x
7-core : 50x
8-core : 50x
(exV/F: 0.60v - 1.45v
i should expect some high coil whine, if the application core-usage jumps all over the place, simply because the frequences (and voltages due to V/F Curve) jump all over the place.
However, if an "Sync All Cores" Manual/Fixed OC is applied, Vcore will be fixed, and thus no coil whine should be observed. Am i correct ?
Same thing applies when all C-States are disabled, since VCore stays max.
I wouldn't mind disabling C-States, however the problem is that when i disabled C-States, my "By Core Usage" OC was messed up, locking the boost to the lowest core-ratio. Should have i disabled "specific" C-State(s) or changed "Package C-State Limit" ?Last edited by Silent Scone@ROG; 04-06-2021 at 06:06 AM.
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04-05-2021 05:43 PM #9
EncodeGR PC Specs Motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero Processor Intel Core i7-11700K Memory (part number) Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL17 Memory Kit - Black (HX436C17PB4AK4/32) Graphics Card #1 MSI GTX 1070Ti Gaming X 8GB Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster Z Monitor Dell Ultrasharp U2520D 25" QHD IPS Storage #1 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 Nvme PCIe 4.0, 500 GB Storage #2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus M.2 Nvme PCIe 3.0, 1 TB CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12A Case Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X Glass - Black Power Supply Asus ROG Thor 850W Platinum Keyboard Logitech G915 TKL Lightspeed, Tactile Mouse Razer Basilisk V2 Headset Sennheiser Game-Zero Headset Mouse Pad Asus ROG Sheath XL Headset/Speakers Logitech Z333 2.1 Speakers OS Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Accessory #1 Noctua NF-A14 PWM (x6) Accessory #2 Phanteks Halos Lux Accessory #3 Phanteks Neon Digital-Rgb
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Possible Bug Found !
** UPDATE **
I think i can confirm there is a bug in Z590 Hero Bios, with power saving when OCing using "By Core Usage".
After extensive testing i found that:
- "Sync All Core" 50x + Auto Voltage = NO Coil Whine (C-States = Auto).
- "By Core Usage" 50x-50x-50x-50x-50x-50x-50x-50x + Auto Voltage = CONSTANT Coil Whine. (C-States = Auto)
The above two OC configurations should result into the same thing, same clocks, same voltage applied. Only "By Core Usage" though results in constant coil whine.
Few Things About "By Core Usage":
It's weird that while all "high performance" / "balanced" / "power save" modes in Windows behave as they should in term of clock speeds (meaning while idle, either: Full Speed / Base Clock / Minimum Clock ), in terms of voltage there is some strange behaviour, resulting in voltage drops to 0.666v in EVERY profile.
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04-05-2021 11:44 AM #10
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I was just wondering, since the board has two 8 pin CPU power connectors, are you using one or both of those?
A month or so ago I complained about the Lighting service keeping the processor running at high speeds. That was eventually fixed, I believe, but I haven't checked lately.
Coil whine can be caused by multiple events. I have seen descriptions of it being so bad on a Dell system that the student could not stay in class when it was happening..
My board will be here maybe Thursday so I will check when I get it set up.