Apex XIII bios

[kvarq]

0903 is officially out
probably based on beta which has been available since a month or so, not sure if it is day & night, not having too much hope though*

I am curious when dual rank will be ok with this crappy board

plus the power stuff, endless restarts, *RBAR, USB poling rate etc...

looking fwd for the KP Z590 board, can’t wait to throw this board or hit it with a hammer, can’t RMA it since Asus warranty is not at all international, money thrown down to the toilet*

[Grimpak]

installed it, seems different from the beta version. At least some menus are different, and ram OC feels more... robust?

[kvarq]

I actually went page by page and menus are the same...
I think that 0903beta is the same as the 0903 "official" on Asus website...
not much is happening when "updating" from 0903 "beta" to 0903 "official", it's really short, compared when changing a bios from a version to another, there are changed lots of things, all areas are updating, aura sh*t and so on, and few restarts in between...

these are the screens from "beta" and "official" versions...
even the release date is the same (21 may)


to be honest, it's no surprise from my side, Asus support is literally minimum at best to say the least, for Apex on the QVL there are some randomly kits thrown here and there, even quad kits (mobo is two slots :P), also for Z490 they changed their mind with a bios version, stating now it's beta, then is final, other time removed a version completely eventually =))

really lost my patience already, they screwed up dual rank & stuff I think for this one...
I feel that I'm gonna smash this mobo with a hammer or something, literally money thrown down to the toilet

[morph.]

With said board, ve seen people run 3866 gear 1 super tight for DR bdie with ease...

Are you after gear 2? It seems the MSI unify is more optimised for g2 dr at this stage... Perhaps shamino/safedisk have something in the works...

[kvarq]

using 10900K, no gear stuff applicable
so mad that I sold my XII...
can't use XIII properly at all...

tried the last two days lots of bios versions, testing my 2x16 stuff with GSAT
0903 is definitely the crappiest one for dual rank stability, 0106 is not bad but too rough, 0605 lasted *longer*
clearly they did something on the way...

I think I lost my patience, going to smash this garbage and re order Apex XII, while is still available in some stores...
tried for 2 months already to run this crap, don’t think they will fix this sh*t too soon

[kvarq]

It’s so bloody annoying, no matter combinations I am trying to do cannot get my 2x16 running properly on Apex XIII, XMP at least.
Neither auto voltages set by XMP or lowered SA and IO ones. Bumped even the VRAM a bit, no pass.
On Apex XII this kit (4000C16D-32 GTZRA / 16-16-16-36) proved to be stable on auto voltages (1.47V SA and 1.37V IO), also lowered SA 1.30V and IO 1.25.
On Apex XIII no matter what I do, can't pass not even the included memtest )

I tried lots of bios versions, from 0106 till 0903 beta/official, on older bioses error is reported later, but nothing is 100% rock solid.

[Grimpak]

It’s so bloody annoying, no matter combinations I am trying to do cannot get my 2x16 running properly on Apex XIII, XMP at least.
Neither auto voltages set by XMP or lowered SA and IO ones. Bumped even the VRAM a bit, no pass.
On Apex XII this kit (4000C16D-32 GTZRA / 16-16-16-36) proved to be stable on auto voltages (1.47V SA and 1.37V IO), also lowered SA 1.30V and IO 1.25.
On Apex XIII no matter what I do, can't pass not even the included memtest )

I tried lots of bios versions, from 0106 till 0903 beta/official, on older bioses error is reported later, but nothing is 100% rock solid.

throwing a limb here, but is it possible that your 10900k IMC simply doesn't play well with z590?

As you said, maybe the XII would be a better bet on your case, however, I would test it vs other z590 boards too.



Kinda of a long shot, but I've seen weirder things...

[kvarq]

yeah, this is why I’m realizing that I made a huge mistake moving to Z590
saw lots of users with XIII and 10th struggling with RAM in general...

maybe they don’t give a damn fixing the 10th on Z590, although it’s not fair advertising these boards for 10th also
*and moving to 11th from 10th going to fewer cores in 2021 it’s not quite an option, isn’t it?

* even so, dual rank/ 2x16 gives problems on 11th also...

[Grimpak]

yeah, this is why I’m realizing that I made a huge mistake moving to Z590
saw lots of users with XIII and 10th struggling with RAM in general...

maybe they don’t give a damn fixing the 10th on Z590, although it’s not fair advertising these boards for 10th also
*and moving to 11th from 10th going to fewer cores in 2021 it’s not quite an option, isn’t it?

* even so, dual rank/ 2x16 gives problems on 11th also...

I'm on the opinion that the i9 11900 should've been called i7 11750 tbh. I *do* have a 11900f on my apex (odd combo I know), but it was all because I didn't felt the need to OC the cpu as much as I had to OC the memory. Still, haven't work around that much with it. Work atm keeps me too busy and still seeing if there are kinks to be ironed out on the board itself.

I *did* notice changes on the memory training on the beta vs official, like, it seemed that it actually trained the memory kit I have atm. That or the memory training profiles are working now. You can access it with your 10th gen?

[kvarq]

noticed something weird with the 0903 “official” bios
trying to find some SA and IO voltages for my 4000C16 2x16 kit (which on Z490 / Apex XII went down easily till 1.25/1.3V for XMP), I tried lots of values between 1.2 and even 1.5V for IO and 1.6V for SA; NOTHING helped, tried also some skew stuff, but lost my patience)... anyway, to update these voltages I had to SHUT down the computer, 5-6 restarts or more, these are not willing to update at all, current values being from the old setting

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I read a lot these days threads on forums, so indeed seems that something is wrong with Bios in the end...*