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    Quote Originally Posted by Traumatik View Post
    Asus , when your customers have memory on your QVL , they should just work , when our setups match what your boards say they can do. I went thru 2 12900k and 2 12900ks cpus , thinking that its the cpus memory controllers


    Unfortunately that's objectively incorrect. The QVL ensures the user purchases memory with the best possible chance of compatibility. There are no guarantees with overclocking, as it's always conditional. The further up the QVL you climb in frequency the less likely plug and play compatibility is found.
    Last edited by Silent Scone@ROG; 08-31-2022 at 07:12 AM.

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    my Hynix 2x16 Kingston fury 6000 worked immediately with my Asus z690 extreme,
    i also tried buildzoids mem timing tweaks and it worked well got it stable to cl34 instead of cl40,
    but i finally reverted to the original XMP settings because of these secondary timing tweaks were changing the sound abnormally.
    I feel XMP timing are better to use with memory sensitive software like audio software..
    these buildzoids secondary timings mem tweaks worked well, but were messing up the integrity of the sound..

    Also Cpu undervolting works well for me with Bios 1720.
    Before i used to struggle so much trying to set a stable overclocking using different ways,
    until i found this thread and just used the recommended settings for overclocking by Falkentyne and Roberto:

    Quote Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
    LoadLines:

    LLC=#1
    AC_LL=0.60
    DC_LL=1.70

    By Core:
    P: 54x3 – 53x5 – 51x8
    E: 41x4 – 40x8
    OCTVB:
    +2Boost Profile
    Voltage Optimization = Enable

    Voltage:
    Adaptive Voltage=1.460
    IA VR Voltage Limit=1500
    VF#11 offset = 1.460 – Native VF# 11 voltage.
    *** If needed, use VF# 6 to tune the 51x full load voltage ***
    also for OCTVB to work you need to have Advanced/ CPU Power Management/ CPu C states enable.

    my system works wonderfully like this:
    Adaptive Voltage=1.4

    By Core:
    P: 52x8 +2 OCTVB Boost Profile
    so
    P: 54x8 all core
    (full load 51x8)
    E: disable

    cache 4.7

    these settings LLC=#1/ AC_LL=0.60 / DC_LL=1.70 are really the way to go,
    worked wonders in temperatures and voltage requirements with the 12900k and the z690 extreme.

    Famous youtube overclockers cannot get to overclock the 12900k without insane temperatures because they are not using these LLC 1 settings..
    Someone should email these LLC1 settings to SkatterBencher, der8auer, JayzTwoCents ... so that they could try them, it would make a world of difference in what the 12900k can do..

    i managed to set my rather bad SP 86 chip 12900k to 5.4 Ghz all core, with these settings..
    with fantastic temperatures generally under 50 C using only a Noctua nh-d15 air cooler..

    thanks so much!
    these settings are a lifesaver..

    Also these 5.4 Ghz all core settings work too with Windows 7!
    Last edited by alessast; 09-01-2022 at 07:47 PM.

  3. #203
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    MotherboardAsus z690 extreme
    Processor12900ks
    Memory (part number)TeamGroup 6200 cl38 buildzoid tweaks
    Graphics Card #1EVGA 3090ti ftw3 ultra Hybrid
    Sound CardSteelseries Nova pro Wireless
    MonitorGigabyte FI32U 4k 144hz
    Storage #1Corsair MP600 1Tb
    Storage #2SK hynix 2Tb platnium
    CaseCorsair 7000d air
    Power SupplyAsus Thor 1200w
    Keyboard Corsair k70 low profile
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    Quote Originally Posted by alessast View Post
    my Hynix 2x16 Kingston fury 6000 worked immediately with my Asus z690 extreme,
    i also tried buildzoids mem timing tweaks and it worked well got it stable to cl34 instead of cl40,
    but i finally reverted to the original XMP settings because of these secondary timing tweaks were changing the sound abnormally.
    I feel XMP timing are better to use with memory sensitive software like audio software..
    these buildzoids secondary timings mem tweaks worked well, but were messing up the integrity of the sound..
    Also Cpu undervolting works well for me with Bios 1720.
    Before i used to struggle so much trying to set a stable overclocking using different ways,
    until i found this thread and just used the recommended settings for overclocking by Falkentyne and Roberto:
    my system works wonderfully like this:
    Adaptive Voltage=1.4
    By Core:
    P: 52x8 +2 OCTVB Boost Profile
    so
    P: 54x8 all core
    (full load 51x8)
    E: disable
    cache 4.7
    these settings LLC=#1/ AC_LL=0.60 / DC_LL=1.70 are really the way to go,
    worked wonders in temperatures and voltage requirements with the 12900k and the z690 extreme.
    Famous youtube overclockers cannot get to overclock the 12900k without insane temperatures because they are not using these LLC 1 settings..
    Someone should email these LLC1 settings to SkatterBencher, der8auer, JayzTwoCents ... so that they could try them, it would make a world of difference in what the 12900k can do..
    i managed to set my rather bad SP 86 chip 12900k to 5.4 Ghz all core, with these settings..
    with fantastic temperatures generally under 50 C using only a Noctua nh-d15 air cooler..
    thanks so much!
    these settings are a lifesaver..
    Also these 5.4 Ghz all core settings work too with Windows 7!
    Curious , do you know when your extreme was built , build date ? Also the secondary timings can mess up audio ? Ive been having audio zzzttt sounds every once in while and thought it was my Steelseries nova pro wireless headset , since its close to my router. OR the Asus AI settings .

    Oh , 1720 bios in intel xtu told me that cant undervolt, couple weeks back 1601 Intel xtu undervolting worked, no errors. I didnt try in bios. z690 is more complicated ( to me ) to either undervolt or oc stable (to me) , i read and watched and made me just wish it would be the same when 9900k was out, set xmp (with ram on QVL) and tweak couple settings and thats it, lol.
    Last edited by Traumatik; 09-01-2022 at 05:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traumatik View Post
    Curious , do you know when your extreme was built , build date ? Also the secondary timings can mess up audio ? Ive been having audio zzzttt sounds every once in while and thought it was my Steelseries nova pro wireless headset , since its close to my router. OR the Asus AI settings .

    Oh , 1720 bios in intel xtu told me that cant undervolt, couple weeks back 1601 Intel xtu undervolting worked, no errors. I didnt try in bios. z690 is more complicated ( to me ) to either undervolt or oc stable (to me) , i read and watched and made me just wish it would be the same when 9900k was out, set xmp (with ram on QVL) and tweak couple settings and thats it, lol.
    i have 2 Asus Z690 Extreme motherboard both with 12900k,
    one was bought around 11/2021 and the other around 05/2022, both work fine with these Falkentyne and Roberto LLC1 OC settings.
    the deformation of the natural integrity of the audio signal by speeding it up a bit it seems when i use any other DDR Ram timing other than XMP maybe comes from the fact that i up-sample all audio ...
    i use an external RME soundcard,
    because the integrated audio ESS chip have some issues with the Realtek audio drivers available ..

    the Falkentyne and Roberto LLC1 OC settings are simple to set but a bit overwhelming for newcomers..
    I wish they could integrate these more easily in AI overclocking settings for exemple,
    so people could just to get a stable overclocking with low temperatures in one click..

  5. #205
    ROG Member Array Traumatik PC Specs
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    Memory (part number)TeamGroup 6200 cl38 buildzoid tweaks
    Graphics Card #1EVGA 3090ti ftw3 ultra Hybrid
    Sound CardSteelseries Nova pro Wireless
    MonitorGigabyte FI32U 4k 144hz
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    Storage #2SK hynix 2Tb platnium
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    Keyboard Corsair k70 low profile
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    Quote Originally Posted by alessast View Post
    i have 2 Asus Z690 Extreme motherboard both with 12900k,
    one was bought around 11/2021 and the other around 05/2022, both work fine with these Falkentyne and Roberto LLC1 OC settings.
    the deformation of the natural integrity of the audio signal by speeding it up a bit it seems when i use any other DDR Ram timing other than XMP maybe comes from the fact that i up-sample all audio ...
    i use an external RME soundcard,
    because the integrated audio ESS chip have some issues with the Realtek audio drivers available ..
    the Falkentyne and Roberto LLC1 OC settings are simple to set but a bit overwhelming for newcomers..
    I wish they could integrate these more easily in AI overclocking settings for exemple,
    so people could just to get a stable overclocking with low temperatures in one click..
    Thanks for that, i think i bought my 2nd extreme from microcenter in December 2021 (1st one nuked itself with 1st Teamgroup 2x16 6200 cl38 memory, memory post codes even when trying my Gskill 2x16 6000 ) . My xmp1 xmp2 always threw memory errors in bios memtest and/or games crashing.
    Yea i dont use onboard audio, have steelseries nova pro wireless headset w/ dac in usb port.
    Im not sure why they are using usb audio now, maybe cheaper to integrate then old ways ?

    EDIT... i knew that asus could be quoted on QVL guaranteed compatibility using xmp profiles, speeds and part numbers listed on QVL.Click image for larger version. 

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    Last edited by Traumatik; 09-14-2022 at 07:36 PM. Reason: Add info QVL

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    ROG Member Array Traumatik PC Specs
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    Sound CardSteelseries Nova pro Wireless
    MonitorGigabyte FI32U 4k 144hz
    Storage #1Corsair MP600 1Tb
    Storage #2SK hynix 2Tb platnium
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    Power SupplyAsus Thor 1200w
    Keyboard Corsair k70 low profile
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    New z690 extreme bios in support page

    "Version 2004
    2022/09/16 11.13 MBytes
    ROG MAXIMUS Z690 EXTREME BIOS 2004
    "1. Improve system performance <--------
    2. Update ME version to 16.1.25.1885v2"

    I found 1 addition to above .... "Intel Ark tweak disable/enable" .... entry in bios to change.

    XMP1 Fails bios memtest in 80% at 43c
    XMP2 Passes bios memtest at 44c max

    Repeatable yes, 2 12900k and 2 12900ks cpus with Teamgroup 6200 cl38 in A2 B2 slots. Will try Buildzoids ram tweaks later when have more time.
    Last edited by Traumatik; 09-16-2022 at 03:23 PM. Reason: tested xmp1 xmp2

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    Memory (part number)32GB/F5-5600U3636C16GX2-TZ5K XMP2 (error free)
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    For whatever reason I simply can't get my Kingston KF556C40BBK2-64 ram to pass Memtest86 under BIOS 2004 @ XMP 1 or 2, all things being equal under my current modest AI OC, otherwise all error free under BIOS 1601 so not certain what's going on with 2004. This ram btw is very good albeit just 5600 but I don't really need any faster atm, more than adequate for gaming.

    update: disregard, fixed with BIOS 2103, updated Intel ME passes MemTest now.
    Last edited by jking63; 10-21-2022 at 12:52 PM.

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    In PMIC Voltages, when set to 'by per PMIC'... It then seperates into PMIC0, PMIC1, PMIC2 & PMIC3 - all have their own VDD & VDDQ voltages. I think you can set each slot a different voltage.

    How do those PMIC's translate to A1 B1 & A2 B2?

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    Memory (part number)KF560C32RSA-16 (Kingston Renegade RGB 6400 MT/s
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    Storage #1FireCuda 530 1 TB
    Storage #2FireCuda 530 2 TB
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    Hopefully we can get AI OC to work on Z790 HERO properly in next update

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