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P8Z67-V (few BIOS / New CPU bugs)

NewFellow
Level 7
Well, used to own I5-2500K.. Now, had no issues really with this processor, but upgraded quick switch to I5-3570K and all the hell broke lose.

Updated BIOS: 3603 (To get CPU support - I5-3570K)

Problem #1:
1. PCI-Express slot 1 (x16_A) - Speed dropped immidiedly from x16 PCIe 2.0 to x4 PCIE 1.1 standard. Slot 3 (x1 / x4 z68 chip slot): PCI-Express 2.0 x4..
2. Figured, wtf, just happened was it the CPU or or the BIOS and started looking BIOS and now iGPU is always at BIOS and Windows unlike at I5-2500K where disabling the multi-display would also disable the iGPU at Windows.
3. So, figured lets do CMOS clean + raise the (d)GPU out of box.
4. PCI-Express slot 1 (x16_A) - Speed raised now to x4 PCIe 2.0. But still no where near x16.
(Ran AMD PCI-Express speed test to be sure and o boy it's sure is x4 slot, lol, it's clean 4 times slower than it was with I5-2500K and tested multiple hardware detection tools to confirm 'AIDA, HDINFO, GPU-Z, etc..')

GPUs I've tested were NVIDIA 9800 GTX and AMD HD5850 both has been tested by 2 other chipsets (775 + x58) neither has any issues to go PCIe 2.0 x16 and even in Windows 7 x64 both cards reports to be x16 capable, but only functional at x4. No power save functions are enabled on either of the cards (AMD has some as flash ROM based, but nothing in windows side power saving options).

Problem #2 (to ASUS engineers):
Where the heck is VCCSA from BIOS? I mean hell, I can understand that ASUS gives next 150 options to all fancy boards beside the fact that this whole new BIOS style sure made your life easier to sell boards as no one just patches your BIOS so fast, but heck could give us poor people at least the basics, lol. 😉


Anyone would have good suggestion to Problem #1?
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Jim-M4EZ
Level 7
What method did you use to flash the bios to 3603 ?
... which 3603 did you use - (3603 - Win7/8) or (3603 - WinXP/Vista) ?

The i5-3570K only needed bios v.3203 to work with the P8Z68-V board ...
fwiw - I stopped all my P8Z68-V boards/builds at v.3402 ...
- M4EZ - 1: 3510 - 2: 1004 / i7-2600K / Redline 2133 16GB / Win7 Pro x64
- v.3510 / 8.0.0.1351 - v.8.1.0.1263 / 10.8.0.1303 - v.11.2.0.1006
- RevoDrive3x2 240GB - OS / Vector 256GB x2 RAID0 - OS / Vertex3 MI 120GB - OS / P'9230 3.0 2TB - B/U
- 9260-8i BBU - CacheCade Pro Vertex3 120GBx2 RAID0 SSD Caching - Const ES SAS RAID10 GHS - Data
- GTX580 3GB HC2 / Xonar Essence STX / ST1200G / TJ10B-W / ZR30w / SP 2500 2.1
- Water: Swiftech/Koolance/Tygon/EVGA/MIPS - Wind: SST/Noctua/Cougar

Jim-M4EZ wrote:
What method did you use to flash the bios to 3603 ?
... which 3603 did you use - (3603 - Win7/8) or (3603 - WinXP/Vista) ?

The i5-3570K only needed bios v.3203 to work with the P8Z68-V board ...
fwiw - I stopped all my P8Z68-V boards/builds at v.3402 ...


P8Z68-V BIOS 3603(for Win7 & Win8) <- This one through BIOS Ezflash2 Flashing is current.


Well, hell I might as well try the 3402 or even 3203 I have here all 4 last lined up on FAT32 USB stick.

(Kinda need to fresh my memory on how did clean MS-DOS flashing go again on these new bios styles, if the BIOS flashing really would be the key, but no worries I'll check it out, if needed. I was about to test 3202 next (last BIOS after 0902 and 0902 was pretty damn, ok, BIOS, if I recall correct at least in OC voltage sense how board acted up).

NewFellow wrote:
Kinda need to fresh my memory on how did clean MS-DOS flashing go again on these new bios styles, if the BIOS flashing really would be the key,


No worries mate I was responding specifically on that part of your post. And making it clear that you did not need to do anything else but use the EZFlash2 method.
To help us help you - please provide as much information about your system and the problem as possible.

HiVizMan wrote:
No worries mate I was responding specifically on that part of your post. And making it clear that you did not need to do anything else but use the EZFlash2 method.


No worries, just found the comment a bit odd, heh. I manage few and write few forums too.

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Anyway, latest testing / currently system state at this post:

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?34888-P8Z67-V-(few-BIOS-New-CPU-bugs)&p=285041&viewfull=1#p...

(Extra info over testing:
There's an odd POST stop I found when I finish WinSAT > reboot > ending up on blackscreen and PCIe light under Slot 1(PCIEX16_1) is up for good while. As for Debian - Linux well as for so far booted off GNOME on stick and seems can't find any informative software other than basic info and that doesn't say anything about speed. Will try again as soon I find some hardware info software.)

HiVizMan
Level 40
Yip the method of BIOS update is key here.

Suggestions to fix, get hold of a fat formatted USB stick and place the latest BIOS/cap convertor if needed into the root directory of your USB stick. In BIOS navigate to tools.

Select the EZFlash2 utility and if needed first run the cap converter it will show up in your USB stick. Let it do its thing and then flash to the latest bios again.

I do not have this motherboard but I have others very much like it so I am assuming the process is the same.
To help us help you - please provide as much information about your system and the problem as possible.

HiVizMan
Level 40

In BIOS navigate to tools.

Select the EZFlash2 utility and if needed first run the cap converter it will show up in your USB stick. Let it do its thing and then flash to the latest bios again.



That is how you flash your bios correctly. 🙂
To help us help you - please provide as much information about your system and the problem as possible.

HiVizMan wrote:
That is how you flash your bios correctly. 🙂


yeah, anyway..


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Flashed again to 3603 and pre-that with full CMOS reset. went to BIOS again disabled every single function there was. It seems that got rid of Intel device (HD4000), but speed is still x4 at AMD HD5850 (verified by copying data CPU->GPU, GPU->CPU 1,7G/s only and by other programs).

We have to start considering other alternative options, because you cannot just narrow this issue to BIOS software side.

Options:
* Motherboard - CPU pins might have an issue (dirt, what ever, although as by look of them they look fine.)
* CPU itself might be faulty (When you start sticking RAM controllers, Limiting PCIe lanes from users [x58] and sticking badly optimized Intel HD iGPU in the box which absolutely no one in this earth does nothing with where no support ever works even on processing level at some point faults will start happening I mean in worth case Intel GPU is taking the lanes).
* Hell, I could even bring this to OS level (because I do not have alternative system to test at USB clean up, but could be basically Intel PCI-Express drivers v9.x.x.x or even Windows simply having some permanent save mode up).

Facts:
Slot 1 (PCIEX16_1): Boots at PCIe 2.0 x4 (card telling OS that it is x16 capable)
Slot 2 (PCIEX16_2): Boots at PCIe 2.0 x8 (card telling OS that it is x16 capable)
Slot 3 (PCIEX4_1): Boots at PCIe 2.0 x1 at AUTO (Boots at PCIe 2.0 x4 when switched from BIOS)
(All unneeded devices / options disabled at BIOS)
Steps taken:
1. Updated through EZFLASH2 - BIOS 3603
2. switched I5-2500K -> I5-3570K
3. Booted up and PCI-Express switched to PCIe 1.1
4. CMOS reset + reupdate BIOS 3603 -> PCIe 2.0 x4 mode (slot 1)
5. As suggested by Forum: reupdated 3603 -> PCIe 2.0 x4 (slot 1)
6. Tested through all available PCIe Slot speeds.
7. CMOS reset + BIOS 3203 in currently -> PCIe 2.0 x4 mode (slot 1)

So, as we can see seems we cannot find this on software side unless indeed Windows is making this up. Going to boot latest debian next see what that says.

Intelligent comments welcome, "That is how you flash your bios correctly." ain't exactly helpful. You could of at least make an constructive comment like raising the CPU might help or cleaning fins with alcohol might help, slot might be damaged or perhaps give reference to secondary OS. Not to be rude, but just saying as a moderator commenting on post usually encouranging to constructive posting only.

Jim-M4EZ
Level 7
Is your board a P8Z68-V or a P8Z68-V/GEN3 ...
... do you still have your i5-2500K ? -------------> to possibly try to eliminate the i5-3570K from the issue ?

... just in case : http://us.estore.asus.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3885 (3203 or 3402) ... 😉
- M4EZ - 1: 3510 - 2: 1004 / i7-2600K / Redline 2133 16GB / Win7 Pro x64
- v.3510 / 8.0.0.1351 - v.8.1.0.1263 / 10.8.0.1303 - v.11.2.0.1006
- RevoDrive3x2 240GB - OS / Vector 256GB x2 RAID0 - OS / Vertex3 MI 120GB - OS / P'9230 3.0 2TB - B/U
- 9260-8i BBU - CacheCade Pro Vertex3 120GBx2 RAID0 SSD Caching - Const ES SAS RAID10 GHS - Data
- GTX580 3GB HC2 / Xonar Essence STX / ST1200G / TJ10B-W / ZR30w / SP 2500 2.1
- Water: Swiftech/Koolance/Tygon/EVGA/MIPS - Wind: SST/Noctua/Cougar

NewFellow
Level 7
@Jim

Yeah, I mounted the I5-2500K back and it works flawless x16 PCIEX16_1.. mounted I5-3570K back in the box and here we go PCIEX16_1 is at PCIe 2.0 x4 speed card reporting it can do x16. Only different I can see by BIOS wise (other than basic chip difference) is that System Agent goes from 'SandyBridge' to 'IvyBridge'.

I tested BIOS 3203 which didn't seem to help. So switched back to BIOS 3603 now. Not sure on 3402.

Any change you/someone can post 'Ivy Bridge' pinout information for PCIe lanes. So, I could check and clean those pinouts only to see if processor has something. Although it's less than 7 days old processor and I did check it has no errors on top before I mounted it first and second time. I don't think BIOS chip would help on this case, but thanks for the effort.

@General

Well, also I started as usual web search about this same issue. Seems there's hundreds of posts of same issues around the web. All are ASUS boards same issue. Some say PC-shops set the cards to slot 2 and when they test slot 1 it's same deal PCIe 2.0 x4 speed by board.

Tomshardware, extremeoverclocking, Overclocking UK etc.. I mean Situation on my end seems absolute identical to most of the posts and as far I see solution sections, well, there's multiple attempts to solve this matter, but as far I can see none of people actually got the PCIEX16_1 to work at real speed some get CFX/SLI working, tho, but that is still x8 x4.. not x8 x8.. Z68..

So, I wonder, if this is actually design flaw in intel I5-3570K model CPUs, Then again seems this core is not the only one with same issues as far posts go on and on..