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    no need to run 2 pumps for that loop.
    you can if you want to but then get a dual pump top that can mount the res on top of it.
    the main restriction will be on the GPU blocks, thats where i get it.
    having a pita to get the air out of the tubings from them.

    fans. best is to look at the mmh2o in stead of qfm.
    the higher mmh2o the more preshure fan is having to be able to push it tru the radiator.
    Last edited by kkn; 08-14-2014 at 05:47 AM.

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    Thanks for the info about the top thing, Ive seen it but did not know that is what it was.
    Too late to order new fans now, but only certain fans will fit the Rad, according to
    FrozenPC.

    I messed around with my OC'ing and am feeling better and better and once the new rad and fan is in,
    I hope to be able to drop my temps.


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    Thanks for the info about the top thing, Ive seen it but did not know that is what it was.
    Too late to order new fans now, but only certain fans will fit the Rad, according to
    FrozenPC.

    I messed around with my OC'ing and am feeling better and better and once the new rad and fan is in,
    I hope to be able to drop my temps.


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    I had lowered my ram from 2400 down, but those are not the right
    CL 10-12-12-31 settings. Will have to mess with that.

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    not bqad the oc. well dont think about the 200mm fan.
    you know for laters in case of changing ut things down the road.

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    I couldn't get the stock fan to work, so I used the new fan in place of the stock fan and now have
    to order another one. My temps in aida 64 went down a little compared to the old config yesterday,
    but it will get better when the new fan comes next monday.

    Im pretty happy with my WC'ing the case and glad I had good advice !!!


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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array Mike Kelly's Avatar
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    I just downloaded an intel oc program and got 4.8 ?????

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    At least I think I did..........Im such a newb !!! LOL
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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array Mike Kelly's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkn View Post
    no need to run 2 pumps for that loop.
    you can if you want to but then get a dual pump top that can mount the res on top of it.
    the main restriction will be on the GPU blocks, thats where i get it.
    having a pita to get the air out of the tubings from them.

    fans. best is to look at the mmh2o in stead of qfm.
    the higher mmh2o the more preshure fan is having to be able to push it tru the radiator.

    http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-W2025B

    I did a search on the net for 200mm MMH2O fans and not a lot showed up.
    The megaflow ones I bought are in that search, so that got me confused.

    I know that the sleeve bearings in mine are not a good thing.

    I found a few articles about fans:

    Bluezero5 wrote a helpful fan tutorial where he explains how fans work and why good case fans don't necessarily make good radiator fans. Martinm210 performed extensive radiator fan testing. The Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP15 at 1850 rpm dominates the middle-speed 120 mm 3-pin radiator fan market because of good air flow relative to noise. Sometimes Gentle Typhoons are hard to find or don't fit a color scheme. The Scythe Kama Flow Two 1900 rpm, Noiseblocker 1800 rpm, or Aerocool Shark 1500 rpm are reliable middle-speed 3-pin alternatives. Budget 3-pin radiator fans include the Yate Loon brand. They make a high-speed 2200 rpm Yate Loon D12SH-12, medium-speed 1650 rpm, or low-speed 1350 rpm. Yate Loons have been used on water-cooling radiators for years and although loud at high rpm, they all run quietly at 5 volts or under 1000 rpm.

    You have a fan blowing in a tunnel.

    at the end of the tunnel, you feel the air flow, the total air moved here is the CFM (cubic feet per minute). Now, if in the middle of the tunnel, there's a CAGE. High pressure dense wind will make it through, but low pressure wind will grind to a halt. This is the Static Pressure's pressence, and in this analogy, your RADIATOR, is the Cage inbetween.

    You will ask, WHAT FANS has high Static Pressure?

    In 'general' these will be the fans with DENSE-FINs, like the Gentle Typhoon series. cause of the dense fins, it is more difficult for the wind to 'slip backwards', as a result: Higher pressure. The opposite will be like those 3-fin fans, which they can BLOW LOTS OF AIR, put your hand in front, and the air will flow backwards as it bounces back.

    Don't want to buy new fans, but want some improvements?
    THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN HELP YOU:
    There are intake shrouds. (looks like a large shallow funnel), these will assist in generating a higher Static pressure, as the wind can't slip back though the edges.
    There are outlet shrouds. Which can be placed between the Fan and Radiator. This helps to eliminate the FAN's Blind spot (the rotary center) BOTH of these tools can help with better FAN performances.

    Remember: PQ Curve is the actual AirFlow measured, depending on what pressure obstacle lays in front of the Fan. A good PQ curve is convex in shape, if I ever write about pumps, this will concept will come back again.


    So everything Im seeing are small fans, not 200mm ???? Can you suggest a fan to eventually get ???? Thank You !!!

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    Last edited by Mike Kelly; 08-18-2014 at 02:34 AM.

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    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835345039

    200mm
    Dimensions (mm) 200x200x25mm
    Current (A) 0.33A ±10%
    Speed (RPM) 900 RPM ±10%
    Air Flow (CFM) 148.72 CFM ±10%
    Air Pressure (mmH2O) 1.26 mmH2O
    Noise (dB-A) 27.5 dB(A)

    i recommend staying abow 1.0mmh2o when it comes to pressure to get the best cooling and airflow tru the rad.
    but try whit the fan you have now and see how it goes.
    no need to pull the trigger on more then you need
    heres my "old" fans -> http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13...c331s518#blank
    mine have red chassi so to say.
    if they are enny good? no clue, have not used em, just tested a couple for a few mins and ditched them since they did not have the air presshure i was after.
    hehe
    costed me a good deal when i went to the ones i have now ( noiseblockers ELoop )
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16..._265_dBA_.html
    and personaly when you are going to move cases and changing out things, this is the ones i recommend TBH, there are those that is bether too but i must say im happy whit theese.
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    http://www.frozencpu.com/brands/bran...seblocker.html

    But they do not seem to make a 200mm ??? They look good and are nice and quiet for their speed, but because they dont make a 200, I cant buy one.


    I received my M3-55mm screws today in the mail, now I look forward to Wednesday to get my new fan and plate.

    I felt pretty good last night scoring high enough to beat a TITAN, but you have to score over 20k to
    get into the top 100, so my 11K isnt note worthy, but I am happy with what I have now !!!

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