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    Serious design problem/quality control problem with EK Supremacy

    Please see this thread http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post419867

    I have just received the new Supremacy Evo and guess what. The screws are once again not recessed into the cold-plate!

    I have not tried it yet but I can guarantee when I get home and do it will make contact with 2011 socket!

    I still have not had a 100% satisfactory end to the problems on the Supremacy CPU block with no reply to my attempts to update the RMA almost two months later.

    There comes a point where one's time is worth money so I just decided to get a new block...this could not happen twice right?

    WRONG.

    I was told the reason for previous problem was a wrong screw type

    Attachment 40672

    If this was true why have I received a second block with the same problem?

    This design is problematic...it needs the screws to be countersunk exactly level with cold-plate or they will make contact with 2011 socket and cause bad contact of block with CPU. Idle temps are fine but load are not good. There might be many people out there with this problem and not knowing it.

    On the Supreme HF line the corners were recessed so the screw was completely away from the plane of the cold-plate and could never present a problem.

    the finishing of the block is also terribly rough...you still see the machining lines in the surface not present on previous blocks and mine has a pit in the surface too!!

    Some comment from EK would seem warranted!

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    Arne, my EK supremacy screws do stick out a bit from the cold plate. It's never been a problem since I've never used it on S2011(lost the s2011 studs that holds it in place)

    Mine is like over a year old, I'll get some pictures of it later I'm on my phone atm.

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    pm him and see if he gets on here. i personaly have not seen him on here in some time now.

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    Thanks Twisted1...would be helpful...sure same block on 2011 would have contact deficiency I'd bet.

    kkn, I might try that; though if they are interested in what their customers think they might pop by now and then ;-)

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    Hi,

    The product manager informed me that the block is designed like this on purpose.
    Last edited by EK_Derick; 09-04-2014 at 03:47 PM.
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    So, the block is designed to standoff the 2011 socket and prevent good contact.
    Thanks for clearing that up EK-Derick

    Difficult to get a good picture but this is the problem
    Attachment 40675

    My previous RMA for the same problem Rok Dolinar told me they sometimes have problem with excess nickel plating in countersink so screw can stand out. Following instructions I removed nickel plating but layer was thin so not the problem.

    After submitting photographs I was told there was a shipment of wrong screws. This was not supposed to be happening. I was sent new cold-plate and different screws

    I have fitted one of the alternative screws to this block...see if you can spot which one

    Attachment 40676

    The design of the Supreme HF was much better in this regard

    Attachment 40677

    Finally, your block might not arrive so pretty as the website shot

    Dins and dents though small are there and milling very evident on surface

    Attachment 40678

    If this is the design then it is flawed. 2011 users should check contact by the four corner screws with 2011 socket...at least on RIVE and RIVBE.

    I will repeat: The block may make contact with TIM and some contact with block but load temperatures will be affected.

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    I was going to get another ek block for S2011, an acetal one as it matches the ek vrm/pch blocks on the RIVE.

    Looking at your pictures though I think I've changed my mind as my supremacy looks exactly the same as yours Arne.

    I might get an extra set of studs for S2011 and try this one on S2011(can't find the s2011 studs that came with the block)



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    Mine obviously doesn't have problems with to much nickel plating. As it's a cooper heat plate.

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    ROG Guru: Gold Belt Array Menthol PC Specs
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    Nice pics you guys, like the copper myself, the worn discolored well used look.
    Arne,
    Is there any way you can set your CPU on something with the block setting on top and get a picture where the screw heads make contact with the CPU showing the gap between the CPU lid and block? Or the block upside down with the CPU setting on the block not making contact, whatever makes the best photo. Very interested to see that
    Last edited by Menthol; 09-05-2014 at 04:14 AM.

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    Twisted1! Yes, very clear there. I think that even without studs you would be able to check for the problem if you have a 2011 socket and CPU. Use the spread method to apply a real thin layer and even hand holding block on CPU you will notice it does not make contact so much with CPU as with surrounding socket.

    Menthol, it is difficult to get a photo of this in situ on the 2011 block since the VRM is in the way "north", I/O shield in the way "west", rampage lit heatsink in the way "south"...
    Maybe if I remove RAM and 24pin PCIe from east side I can show the screws making contact with socket?....I will give it a go.

    What I can do is show the difference in the contact pattern of the block with the CPU as defined by the contact with TIM...that is very clear. If you use the spread method to make a very thin layer it shows clearly.The point is, that if you use the blob method you will get the block to spread the TIM and your idle temps will be normal but your load temps will be higher than they should be because of course the layer of TIM is thicker than it should be and the contact bad. At 4.4GHz my load temps are 55 max. With bad contact they were reaching 75...so if you don't know what you are looking for you might think your cooling is OK just not great...but of course for OCing the block is useless.

    Bad paint drawing for bad contact...but you get the idea I guess

    Attachment 40796

    Screws properly countersunk

    Attachment 40797

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    I'll post this even if it doesn't quite capture the problem...it is the best I can get without stripping the board of everything
    Attachment 40806

    However if you know the 2011 socket you know that the socket edges are curved and the apparent gap between cold-plate and socket is nothing.

    In fact if you look at
    http://www.intel.co.uk/content/dam/w...2011-guide.pdf
    you can see the IHS of the CPU is virtually level with the socket height. It certainly does not allow for 0.5-0.75mm of screw head!! which these screws have.

    Attachment 40807

    Maximum tolerance there looks to me to be bellow 0.25mm so the design of the waterblock should be: screws flush with coldplate as a maximum or recessed away from the plane better. Pretty basic stuff and a practice followed on all other CPU blocks I can see like the 380i or as pointed out even older EK designs...

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