Tried switching xHCI to disabled didn't make a difference, the only way I can guarantee a normal boot is to remove the keyboard, same with the saitek eclipse as well so it's not just isolated to my Deathstalker, one thing I will note tho they are both backlit keyboards, I have a generic keyboard here with no lights that boots everytime, so i'm thinking there might be an issue with power draw for the keyboard lighting either that or it's trying to boot from the keyboard for some strange reason, either way I don't think it's a hardware issue here, the fact that it says 4 keyboards detected isn't normal operation even if it does work for you but cheers for your input, I'm sure I'll figure this out eventually.