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    Quote Originally Posted by Richdog View Post
    [...] Yeah I completely forgot about the TN panel... definitely a no-go for me. [...]
    There are already 2 G750JY threads and it seems it's an IPS, a 1920x1200 IPS (because only peasants have a 1920x1080 IPS display )

    http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...-with-GTX-980M

    http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...aptop-8gb-980m

    Quote Originally Posted by hmscott View Post
    Tindrael, but, the JZ/JS/JM CPU's all ran hotter than the JW/JX/JZ, likely due to Optimus - the Intel GPU enabled added heat to the CPU die.

    And, the G751 temperature reports are all lower than the JZ/JS/JM, down around the JW/JX/JH range.

    IDK how Asus did it, but the new G751 cooling system, while looking not up to the challenge, is delivering great low temperature results.
    Are you implying they are using an old technology? Because nobody knows how much of the G751JY's advancements are going into the G750JY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richdog View Post
    . . . Absolutely bizarre.

    Info here http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/G750JY/

    So yeah, I am now really annoyed as I would have loved to buy a laptop with that design and the G751 specification...
    This kind of stuff is so interesting to me. What do you think the thought process could be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjbc View Post
    This kind of stuff is so interesting to me.
    I found a MSI employee!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by tjbc View Post
    What do you think the thought process could be?
    Something like "Ok, we pissed off all Padfone users, in particular Padfone 1, Padfone Infinity and New Padfone Infinity users. Now, how can we do the same thing with ROG?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joystick View Post
    There are already 2 G750JY threads and it seems it's an IPS, a 1920x1200 IPS (because only peasants have a 1920x1080 IPS display )

    http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...-with-GTX-980M

    http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...aptop-8gb-980m

    Are you implying they are using an old technology? Because nobody knows how much of the G751JY's advancements are going into the G750JY.
    Joystick, only observing that the results attained by the new G751 cooling system are better than the G750JZ cooling tech in that it accomplishes the same cooling range with what appears to be much smaller components - and a combined cooling system - rather than the larger, bulkier, and independent CPU/GPU cooling systems in the G750JZ.

    I have no idea what cooling the G750JY will have, but if it is the same as the JZ image posted, it won't be better than the G751JY and the temps might be higher - especially under the burden of the Optimus Intel GPU die heat.

    We haven't seen anything of the internals of the G750JY yet, or have a firm grasp on what features / specs it actually contains.

    It could go either way

    Update: It looks like the new G751 cooling has it's limits. While giving great low temperature readings for most usage, under extreme load simultaneously on both CPU and GPU, the G751 starts Thermal Throttling - but it is right on the edge, and a 50/50 chance it will Thermal Throttle based on tests from several machines - and Ambient temperature contributes to this.

    Here are some thread links:

    Read forwards and backwards in this thread:
    http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post457188

    From notebookreview.com
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus...ml#post9861924
    Last edited by hmscott; 12-14-2014 at 03:48 AM.

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    In Hungary the G750JY is already in stock and available for purchase. The shop is listing the G750JY for $2650 with 4710HQ cpu, 24 GB RAM, 2x128GB SSD and GTX980M 8GB.
    The listing says that it has Intel 460HD built in VGA, but the question is, is it active? Probably yes so Optimus makes this laptop inferior compared to the G751JY...at least I dont want another laptop with microstutter and limited display settings.

    In my opinin the G751JY for $1850 is a better deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tindrael View Post
    In Hungary the G750JY is already in stock and available for purchase. The shop is listing the G750JY for $2650 with 4710HQ cpu, 24 GB RAM, 2x128GB SSD and GTX980M 8GB.
    The listing says that it has Intel 460HD built in VGA, but the question is, is it active? Probably yes so Optimus makes this laptop inferior compared to the G751JY...at least I dont want another laptop with microstutter and limited display settings.
    In my opinin the G751JY for $1850 is a better deal.
    Tindrael, wow, that is a big price difference!

    Are you on terms with the local sellers, such that you can find out if the Optimus can be disabled by BIOS or switch?

    If Optimus can be defeated, then the G750JY has a chance with me, and many others.

    I don't think that price differential will be supportable in the long term, the pricing should be much closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmscott View Post
    Are you on terms with the local sellers, such that you can find out if the Optimus can be disabled by BIOS or switch?
    If Optimus can be defeated, then the G750JY has a chance with me, and many others.
    I was thinking the same thing, but G750JY is definitely a mSATA notebook, which means 2 things:
    1. You're not seeing PCIe speed
    2. You're buying a dying technology, which can be good (upgrading cost) or bad (limited evolution).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joystick View Post
    I was thinking the same thing, but G750JY is definitely a mSATA notebook, which means 2 things:
    1. You're not seeing PCIe speed
    2. You're buying a dying technology, which can be good (upgrading cost) or bad (evolution).
    Joystick, the G750JH/JZ use M.2 SATA, not mSATA. My performance on the 2 x 128GB SSD RAID0 is higher than the single M.2 PCIE x4 performance. 1060MB/sec vs 900MB/sec. Not a big difference, but certainly not dying technology. The current limitation is free PCIE lanes in the current HM87 express, the next round of chips should allow a 2 x PCIE or even a 4 x PCIE, then the speed will be better.

    Unfortunately, the G750JY specifications don't list a 2 x M.2 SATA storage solution, only 2.5" SATA III.
    http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrab...pecifications/

    Hopefully there will be an M.2 SATA version available, the added performance of the 2x RAID0 really makes a performance difference, even with the low end 128GB M.2 SATA parts.

    The other likely benefit of the G750JY is that both 2.5" bays will have SATA III. So you could implement a 2 x 2.5" RAID0 for better performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmscott View Post
    Joystick, the G750JH/JZ use M.2 SATA, not mSATA. My performance on the 2 x 128GB SSD RAID0 is higher than the single M.2 PCIE x4 performance. 1060MB/sec vs 900MB/sec. Not a big difference, but certainly not dying technology. The current limitation is free PCIE lanes in the current HM87 express, the next round of chips should allow a 2 x PCIE or even a 4 x PCIE, then the speed will be better.

    Unfortunately, the G750JY specifications don't list a 2 x M.2 SATA storage solution, only 2.5" SATA III.
    http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrab...pecifications/

    Hopefully there will be an M.2 SATA version available, the added performance of the 2x RAID0 really makes a performance difference, even with the low end 128GB M.2 SATA parts.

    The other likely benefit of the G750JY is that both 2.5" bays will have SATA III. So you could implement a 2 x 2.5" RAID0 for better performance.
    Sorry, I meant M.2 Sata. The theoretical speed of M.2 PCIe is 20Gb/s, your speed is 8480Mb/sec, G751JY is 7200Mb/sec, but G751JY's speed is limited by Samsung XP941's poor specs.

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    Wait, just to get this clear. The G751's do NOT have Optimus but the G750JY does?

    Also, the first picture of the cooling that Tindrael posted, was that REALLY the cooling for the G751? Why are the sink blocks so small? Maybe it's the picture angle.. and wow, that's quite the small pad for the 980m..


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    Tindrael, did you post the small ones? Because I have a feeling there's reeeally thick blocks for the 880m model.
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