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    Hey,

    @chino : indeed i feel the fury ;(, sadly.

    @arne : thanks for clarifying. Also, i see you guy's caches perform much better than mine. Could it be that at stock, the 5960x's cache is better than the 5930's ? And what memory kit do you have exactly ? Part number ?

    @menthol : thanks for the results. Quick question, isn't z170 dual channel ? So the memory for that chipset must be binned in twos ? I mean, x99 is quad channel, wouldn't it be better to get a quad channel kit designed for x99 ? And what memory kit do you have exactly ? Part number ?

    Thanks,

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    Avenger411,
    You are correct on all accounts.
    Without speaking for Arne, I believe he has a kit of GSkill Ripjaw 4x4 GB CL15, 15, 15 something something something, I also have the same kit, a quad channel kit with Hynix modules.

    The Z170 is a dual channel system, the kit I have there is a dual quad 4x8 GB Gskill Riphaw V series 32GB kit, designed with newer Samsung modules to be compatible with Z-170 and X99 chipsets.
    It worked very good on My MVIII Hero which I have since purchased against the norm 2 seperate kits of GSkill Trident Z 2x4 GB kits of 4000mhz, just to play around with
    They work very well installed together at 3866 Mhz, Gskill has a 4x4 kit so I used the primary timing for that kit.
    I don't know if it is just ASUS Z-170 boards or every manufacturer but in AIDA and Intel XTU you seem to get higher scores with 4 modules than you do with 2
    Not being very knowledgeable of why, I am comfortable with just knowing it does

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231903

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    Hey Menthol!

    Thank you very much for the insight!. When you say "dual quad" i'm not sure to understand what you mean as "dual" and "quad" work very differently, so i'm a little confused (did you merge 2 kits ?). I have noticed the ram you linked is stated z170 only. When i dig around i found (not same part #) the same ram (not 3200 but 3000) but this one is stated z170/x99 (canadian newegg)

    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...-938-_-Product

    Also, is there a way for me to know if these sticks sport the new samsung chips or still have hynix's ? If i am to buy a new set, i might as well try the new samsung's chips. The kit i have probably has hynix, so i would like to try a new one. On another note, what kind of settings did you play with to OC your cache ? and Does overclocking your cpu hinders a potential cache overclock ? vice versa ? I know there are a lot of questions but i'm learning so much here

    On another note, i have toyed around a little bit with the cache and i managed to get my numbers up a little But i'm scared to crank up the cache, i feel like my board is going to crack any minute now lol.

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    Thank you once again

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    Don't worry my results are even lower than yours... OK little higher latency, lower clock, lower cache that would something similar as yours...
    I could try if you want with GSkill Ripjaws 2800 tomorrow, I have other kit in shelf to compare results...





    GSkill usually have faster and cheaper memory than CORSAIR but I install CORSAIR because look.
    CORSAIR Install bad modules in lower Dominator speed and done one very bad and evil thing...
    They launch same kit with same number, with same price, with different modules, different latency and different performance and that give clear opportunity to customers to sue them only people are not aware of that and no one want to tell them in face to mark their package to seller warn customers. Simply because they mark kits with version number, sometimes only once version is QVL for some brand and customers or seller is not capable to see version number before unboxing. That's very evil move because customers will sometimes get not QVL memory. If ASUS test CMDXXXXXX ver 5.29 and customer unbox CMDxxx ver 4.23 and no way to recognize difference before he pay he could sue CORSAIR easy. They didn't change serial number, they didn't change package, but they sell two different things one compatible other not compatible with motherboards under same number, and they don't want to change that years only because customers then could avoid cheaper modules and now there are good chance to one customer buy twice memory.
    Situation is clear as day. No such advocat to defend them in from someone smart who sue them because of that. Imagine some big company buy 100 kits and they are not compatible. I didn't saw on sites of any selles version number but I saw version number on QVL motherboard list.
    Because of that I try always two modules to buy and than later sell other...
    Now is Dominator inside because look... but main kit I look for R5E is F4-2800C16Q-16GRK because I was not sure what will happen when I unbox kit of company who try to cheat people with some versions numbers unseen before unboxing. Lucky for me both are compatible but next time could not be and CORSAIR is company famous as biggest overpricing modules and because glory of some Dominator kits for X58 they install good modules only in 3200+ kits. Under that is absolutelu same as Vengeance on some else... only if someone want to computer look better could choose.
    But like you see companies who produce hardware long time ago not respect customers as companies of other products and they can pass with false advertising, lies,...
    Even box of Dominator Platinum is transparent on one part but CORSAIR didn't want, that's obvious, they didn't want to customer see version number and recognize modules before open package. And sometimes that information is crucial for working PC and compatibility.
    Last edited by Vlada011; 11-14-2015 at 04:45 AM.


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    My last set of Corsair DDR4 2666 LPX 32 GB has been a clunker. I think I need to check each stick individually to find the culprit. It won't go 2800 at 1.35v even with loosened timings. It also won't go stock speed if I adjust the voltage to 1.25. Grrr.

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    They overprice they RAMs and behave bad. I told you this situation is known 2 years and more I didn't hear single review to tell something about that.
    Customer is not possible to 100% know compatibility of most expensive RAM before they unbox kit. I told to guy who bring me to check version and he buy every week hardware for 10.000e from few stores and sell that, that mean sellers will done for him everything what he ask. They look kit together but can't find revision number and guy call me from different country to ask did I want to buy or not, and I need to risk.
    Because CORSAIR put us in that position.
    They could put sticker with revision on box,
    They could launch kit with different serial number, with different letter in serial number
    They could buy only one kind of modules for one series...
    Not they pay modules cheaper, or different prices and sell for same and they didn't want to customer know what they sell.
    Same thing happen when they send AX1200i to Johnny Guru, 99% of customers read their reviews he say 100% Japan capacitors.
    Customer probably use camera little and put through holes and recognize Korean and Chines capacitors. Such things are on court clear.
    Next time people buy AX series as single rail, they change in multi nobodu know that...
    xexe xexe after several months market figure out that's not single rail any more...
    They don't care people at all... xe xexeee... reviews silence... nothing.
    This time kit work in specification, next time who knows...
    but I pay memory I didn't put money in casino for gambling.
    Situation is clear if they mark modules they will stay on shelves and they could not sell Micron as Hynix.
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    Sorry about the dual quad thing, it is a dual channel 4 sticks, for the Z-170 platform but I still had to try them on the X99
    Every CPU is different and the IMC on every CPU is different, what works on my CPU may not on yours, the Cache overclocks well on some and not well on others, so all RVE's are created equal but will need tweaked differently with every CPU and RAM kit
    Vlada011 brings up a good point, manufacturers always have in the fine print, specifications subject to change without notice.
    Early modules that had Hynix chips, later had Samsung chips without any designation change, sometimes you can tell by the timings, sometimes by month of manufacture
    Last edited by Menthol; 11-14-2015 at 09:02 AM.

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    CORSAIR send Hynix chips first to reviews and send on market 1 series of Hynix and later sell 3-4 batch of weaker modules under same serial number.
    I know for that long time. They had over 5-6 manufacturer for DDR3 memory. From Nanya and Qimonda to Micron and Hynix all under same serial number. From good to complete junk.
    Because of that I never invest 300-400-500$ in memory. Max 200-250 euro.
    CORSAIR was good company up to 2012 somewhere... later start to sell junk and today is common to met experts
    who avoid CORSAIR for any cost. I'm not for that to avoid him but GSkill made cheaper and better modules for at leastI class for less money. If we compare for same money that's even more than I class.
    Example I remember I payed less for GSkill 2800 with tighter latency than CORSAIR 2666 with higher latency.
    People pay only look, nothing else.
    And if we compare company even in that segment GSkill win more record last 5 years than CORSAIR.
    But this what they do with version number that have name: Selling Fog. Unknown modules.
    If I who read ASUS QVL list, and send guy to find some version don't know what will get what to expect some amateur who have no time to read, example go in school, academy,
    etc and have no time to read and avoid all perversions from different companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menthol View Post
    Sorry about the dual quad thing, it is a dual channel 4 sticks, for the Z-170 platform but I still had to try them on the X99
    Every CPU is different and the IMC on every CPU is different, what works on my CPU may not on yours, the Cache overclocks well on some and not well on others, so all RVE's are created equal but will need tweaked differently with every CPU and RAM kit
    Vlada011 brings up a good point, manufacturers always have in the fine print, specifications subject to change without notice.
    Early modules that had Hynix chips, later had Samsung chips without any designation change, sometimes you can tell by the timings, sometimes by month of manufacture
    Hey,

    Okay cool thanks. So the picture you posted with over 80k mb/s of read speed was with the z170 dual channel ?

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    Do you see Memory Type: Quad Channel.


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