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    I didn't get a chance for thorough reading, but is anyone aware of the highest vcore required to top out the OC, and at what temps using which coolers? I imagine they were testing on water and the new Wraith so see how it holds up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post
    I would concur OC ability is not going to be stellar, I didn't expect it to be, to be honest.

    Why I've gone AMD is "bang for $".

    I have been on Intel CPU since ~2007. Any friends/family that I built a PC was go Intel. Now will be differing story IMO. It is a competitive chip, putting aside OC ability. AMD support their socket longer so should enjoy several CPUs with same mobo as I did on S939 .
    ^This, but I am interested to see how the Ryzen CPUs' average overclock will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottoyu34 View Post
    There could be still hope that the 1700X or 1700 could reach 4Ghz without the price tag.
    I doubt it's reasonable to expect AMD to bin CPUs and sell the same thing one tier down. Probably 1800X will average better MHz than 1700X...though you may get lucky within that average.

    RAM for these CPUs coming http://wccftech.com/gskill-flare-x-s...s-ddr4-memory/

    haihane...two pointless posts in this thread already...
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    Quote Originally Posted by panzlock View Post
    I didn't get a chance for thorough reading, but is anyone aware of the highest vcore required to top out the OC, and at what temps using which coolers? I imagine they were testing on water and the new Wraith so see how it holds up.
    Ryzen power consumption, temperatures and AM4 kit incompatibility issues:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...u,4951-11.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Saknussemm View Post
    I doubt it's reasonable to expect AMD to bin CPUs and sell the same thing one tier down. Probably 1800X will average better MHz than 1700X...though you may get lucky within that average.

    RAM for these CPUs coming http://wccftech.com/gskill-flare-x-s...s-ddr4-memory/

    haihane...two pointless posts in this thread already...
    i did? i thought i was being subtle.
    first youtube post NCIXtechtips served as a counter-argument to this post . the thing about beliefs and arguments, i realized, it's best to make it subtle and not confront it directly, but might be better instead to show the statement straight from the AMD'S VP why AMD's performance sucked.

    after all, how one thinks about something isn't likely to be changed all that easily (if he's already predisposed to believing i.e. Intel being far superior). by showing a counter argument i was hoping to show the rest that bothered to click and read the otherwise without going into direct confrontation with GamerNexus' findings.

    tbh, i could sense the inner resentment (gut feeling) against AMD killing it on nearly all synthetic benchmarks on their youtube video, that they were almost trying too hard to justify Intel's strengths in Gaming department.

    the second youtube post from me TechofTomorrow, drops another not-so-subtle jab.



    well, that kinda lost its charm if i had to explain it.

    sorry that you feel i'm speaking nonsense, i'll cease it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Saknussemm View Post
    OK so it has finally Ryzen from the ashes...but it's still a bit burnt and crusty round the edges.

    OC guide here http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/AMD%...rs%20Guide.pdf

    If you can call that OCing

    Note AMD say 1.35v max if you want your chip to last and SAFE IS STOCK. Lots of "safe" voltages already appearing all over the internet which clearly will not be...
    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Saknussemm View Post
    I doubt it's reasonable to expect AMD to bin CPUs and sell the same thing one tier down. Probably 1800X will average better MHz than 1700X...though you may get lucky within that average.

    RAM for these CPUs coming http://wccftech.com/gskill-flare-x-s...s-ddr4-memory/
    Intel platform is far far more polished, but then again IIRC X99 had "teething" issues as well? I'm not up on full info as never bothered to read to much on it as it was out of my reach for a build. So hope you will give info Arne .

    Now why I went R7/AM4. I bought a R7 1700 for ~£320, plan to sell the Wraith Spire and due to RGB ( ), I'm guessing I'll get more for it than the better Wraith currently available for FX chips, etc. So if I net say ~£30 it's a £290 CPU IMO. I didn't need a CH6 (~£250), could well have got say a Prime X370 (~£150), on average I've seen 16GB DDR4 2400MHz ~£70 on promo. So for say ~£510-£610 I'll have 8C/16T rig. Is there anything comparable from Intel with 8C/16T at price point?

    I didn't feel "milked" when I got my i5/Z97, as I got it on heavy promo prices. I knew I wouldn't be able to get another CPU in there as Intel will not make anything for it.

    Intel have been milking the general enthusiast mainstream, low IPC increase 4th, 5th, 6th,7th gen. Then does enthusiast mainstream care about improved IGP? I can't recall once using it in ~2yrs on i5/Z97.

    Let's talk about delid, become quite common practise on Intel? do I really wanna take my $xxx CPU and do delid? yeah tools have come out which have made it easier safer. For a tight git like me still too costly.

    Example I got say my 2nd i5 4690K at let's say below £150, recent der8auer Delid mate 2 is ~£26 exc.P&P @ OCuk. Tool cost % against CPU purchase price 17%. I'd rather bank the £26 for my next upgrade .

    There have been quite a few articles where it is show HT off = better gaming performance even on Intel. Now a R7 1700 with SMT off gives me 8 real cores, how can I justify 7700K with HT off?

    Here is R7 1700 @ 3.9GHz vs i7 7700K @ 5GHz.

    https://youtu.be/BXVIPo_qbc4

    Once all Ryzen are out, even without OC ability (which still there are plenty of consumers that don't do), consumer has choice of starting at say a R5 and later going upto R7 and then as AMD support socket longer next year there maybe say 8 core + CPU (speculating).

    I reckon Ryzen is WIN WIN for consumer, I reckon it is also WIN WIN who wanna go Intel, as Intel may have to take note and make more "bang for $" 6 to 8 core platform for release.

    Quote Originally Posted by ottoyu34 View Post
    There could be still hope that the 1700X or 1700 could reach 4Ghz without the price tag.
    1700 is best buy, gibbo/8 pack in house testing at OCuk is showing upto 4GHz, they reckon 1700X/1800X possibly 4.1-4.3GHz.

    Quote Originally Posted by damianme View Post
    ^This, but I am interested to see how the Ryzen CPUs' average overclock will be.
    Soon , I know on OCN quite a few pre orders done, some issues on mobo arriving later than expected. One or 2 builds done. Here is one example of 1700+CH6 full retail build, etc.
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    French hardware site has come up with possible reasons why Ryzen isn't peforming well in certain areas: **http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-...e-memoire.html

    Google translated version: *https://translate.googleusercontent....7r7sFmkVhG9QVQ

    *If you have followed us so far, we can begin to see the causes of the slowdowns that we notice in some benchmarks. If we summarize what we have seen so far: 1. Memory latency of Ryzen is higher 2. The bandwidth between the CCXs is particularly reduced 3. Cache access between CCX is expensive If one adds the tendency of Windows to move the threads permanently, one can begin to understand a little better certain behaviors. Indeed, strolling threads from one CCX to another is excessively expensive on Ryzen whose bandwidth between the CCXs is reduced.
    Heres a quote from another forum that might explain it:
    *The L3 cache is partitioned into two 8MB chunks. Each CCX has very fast access to its own chunk, but very slow access to the other one. As Windows moves threads from core to core, threads cross the CCX boundary. Any such thread would suddenly find all of its cached data behind a very slow bottleneck.
    *
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    Quote Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post
    Is there anything comparable from Intel with 8C/16T at price point?
    Absolutely nothing..and of course this is a big deal. Price performance is a big metric for most. You're absolutely right...this is a good thing for consumers...shakes things up a bit...I hope.

    And of course it's going to have growing pains...especially as I think lots of companies are a bit behind the curve on providing the ecosystem for Ryzen to thrive in...boards and RAM seem to be a bit late to the launch party as it were. Maybe more than one thought AMD wasn't going to pull off what they have?

    These CPUs are going to make great systems at a great price no doubt about that.

    I just don't get the hype side of things and all the false promise leaks...real head scratcher for me when you know in the end the truth will out. I've already seen people ordering large GB 3600MHz RAM...people investing in cooling for OC headroom that doesn't exist. Find it really disappointing part of this industry and the so called "press" that covers it. I get people want to root for AMD and get that it's good for consumers if they do well. But pretending that the CPU is the second coming and that it beats all things Intel is a stretch for me.

    The Elephant in the room being overclockability. Lately everything has been geared to this...making watercooling mainstream leaving OC headroom on the chip. To pretend that a 6900K is a 3.5GHz processor is a bit daft in any serious head to head review IMO. I have a last gen 5960X running 4.5GHz 24/7 it doesn't make sense to compare it to anything at stock since stock was designed to leave a whole lot of room for running it OCd.

    Reading reviews they all have cherry picked benchmarks from one side or another...for example I never knew CPUz had a benchmark until this week LOL...when it suddenly seems to have become the gold standard.

    I started this thread rooting for AMD but the senseless hype has killed it for me and the fanboy weirdness on both sides just makes me yawn. I don't recognise myself as the same species.
    I guess I'll wait for ROG members to post up results...then we can really see what's what without all the hyperbole...and watch the platform evolve

    Look forward to your review gupsterg!

    Oh and delid...don't get me started...part of the reason I stuck with X99 instead of keeping my 7700K...was all ready to do it too...but then thought why the he** should I...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Saknussemm View Post
    I started this thread rooting for AMD but the senseless hype has killed it for me and the fanboy weirdness on both sides just makes me yawn. I don't recognise myself as the same species.
    I guess I'll wait for ROG members to post up results...then we can really see what's what without all the hyperbole...and watch the platform evolve
    Intel, AMD, **** even Asus are companies that are in it to make money. *Outside of offering support to their products that you buy, they don't really care too much about us. *With this in mind, the fan boyism is stupid. *We need AMD to succeed because otherwise we get stagnation and trivial improvements in tech from Intel, just as we've been seeing. *Look at how nVidia responded with the 1080ti just at the mere thought of Vega looming over the market. *I am hoping AMD learns from these mistakes with an Opteron version of Ryzen. *Part of my problem with it is that it is a strong workstation CPU gimped to a mainstream platform.

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