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    Somebody can tell me why my CPU temps increase by near 10°c from BIOS 1403 to 1501? Stock settings.
    Of course I rolled back to 1403.
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    I am surprised 1501 was released as a "stable" release (or at least listed for download by the masses). I've had zero issues with most of the BIOS' but I do not feel 1501 should be out there - for the first time I've actually experienced almost all the issues reported by others above! The biggest one was CPU voltage climbing in excess of 1.5V at 3.9GHz (via PStates). On 1403 I've had no issues with 4.0GHz maintaining core voltage around 1.39 - 1.43V and that's at load and even OCCT+Linpack. With 1501 I can't even go 2 minutes on OCCT without the system rebooting, while on 1403 it completes an hour with all logical cores, avx, and 90% mem usage enabled. I am able to reproduce this on 3 identical systems

    The voltage is my biggest problem (worry). The next gripe I have is still not being able to turn off the damn onboard LEDs when the system is turned off or in sleep mode; I would love to see this fixed at some point.

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    Newest BIOS seems to be showing temperatures correct, with 1403 I had 20+ idle temps with my CPU (1.373-1.395V). Now it shows 30-40, which seem to be correct and more realistic. Looks like some good improvement. I finally broke that magic 60 degrees when running cinebench.

    @ MrPhil17
    You sure your CPU cooling is ok? Maybe you need to change thermal paste. By the looks of the images, the CPU has higher temp than it's socket (!) and also the overall temps seems to be high. I'm running my CPU higher voltage/MHz and I'm pretty sure the readings of the current BIOS are correct. Your PSU seems to run quite hot too.
    Last edited by ded99; 08-20-2017 at 10:17 AM.

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    Question next bios maybe have new agesa ?

    asrock new uptade have new agesa 1.0.06a or 1.0.07 maybe asus will do new bios have new agesa

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    Serious trouble

    Flashed BIOS to 1501 yesterday, it gave me serious issues with temperatures. Rolled back to 1403 and it all worked like a charm. At this point I am avoiding 1501 because I am afraid it will start damaging my system.

    System:

    Ryzen 1700, Wraith Spire fan
    G.Skill TridentZ RGB 16GB 3200mhz
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    NZXT H440 New Edition ATX case
    MSI Rx480 8GB Gaming X
    + various SSD's/harddrives

    Breakdown of 1501 issues:

    (All temps measured using HWinfo/Ryzen Master/Corsair Link)

    1) At stock settings (3.0 ghz, 2113 mhz RAM, Wraith Spire cooler) I am getting temperatures of 75 C (and rising, within 3-4 minutes) and above running Prime95. Under 1403 this would max around 60C.
    2) I run a moderate OC under 1403, that being 3.7 ghz, 0.1000v offset, Pstate0 overclocking. VSOC manually at 1.0500. RAM at 3200 mhz, 1.35v. Under 1403 runs like a charm, with Prime95/Aida64/OCCT Linpack/Realbench temps between 68-75C, multihour stresstests. Under 1501 this jumps up to 85C (and rising) within 3-4 minutes, I had to stop the test as I don't want to push the temps higher.
    3) Case I am using is H440 New Edition, case fans set to PWM at Turbo timing through Qfan controls in BIOS

    At this point I consider 1501 unusable and potentially damaging for my system, even at core clocks. 75C is the maximum I am willing to go for long term usage, so I am really curious as to what is going wrong here.

    One observation:

    I have a feeling 1501 is messing with my case fans. In 1403 the case fans are more audible under load, in 1501 I have the suspicion that the PWM modus is not properly triggered. It could explain the higher temps and the quick rise of temps in the case. I have the H440 New Edition fanhub connected to the CPU_OPT and the Wraith Spire to the CPU_MAIN (as per instructions of NZXT, alternatively NZXT says to connect the fanhub to CPU_MAIN and connect the CPU cooler to an extension of the fanhub for boards without CPU_OPT). I did not hear the casefans speed up using 1501, but at this point I am not going to test it again as I will stick to 1403 for now.

    Any help at this point? Am I missing something?
    Last edited by PLTD89; 08-20-2017 at 12:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPhil17 View Post
    Somebody can tell tell me why my CPU temps increase by near 10°c from BIOS 1403 to 1501? Stock settings.
    Of course I rolled back to 1403.
    As ded99 pointed out, there is something wrong there in both pictures. The temp of your CPU should be the same temp measured by your motherboard (see CPU temp under the Asus section of your HWi). AIDA64 also measures a lower CPU temp, so maybe check your cooler. At least with me the temps of AIDA64/motherboard CPU/CPU itself are all the same under load.

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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array Syaoran PC Specs
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    I tend to agree that 1501 is showing temperatures correctly. To revert the temperature reporting back to pre-1501 results, Raja mentioned the following.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post
    As stated here, SenseMI skew affects temps: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post663385
    Figuring out which is the correct value is definitely an issue. If the higher values are actually correct, then anyone with temperatures they consider too high for their liking need to start looking at their system and how to get those down.

    I gave up on 1501 and rolled back to 1403. I normally don't roll back BIOS's unless there is a major issue with the latest BIOS but stability has definitely gone down the toiled with 1501. It didn't matter what I tried, getting my system stable at what I consider an easy set and enjoy were still not stable for me. 3.8GHz at 1.35v on the CPU with 3,200MHz 14-14-14-14-34-1T at 1.35v was only about 90% stable. I tried the CPU as high as 1.43v and the RAM at 1.41v and it still wasn't fully stable. Rolling back to 1403 had the lower voltage settings stable and passed 8 hours of AIDA64's stability test last night.

    Asus needs to do better! Personally, I would like to see the 9943 and 9945 BIOS's back but updated with the new AGESA code along with the cold boot issue fixed.
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    ~Have some of you ruled out the temp change is due to Sensemi skew being disabled by default as that is around a 10C change there? You can re-enable old behaviour if you prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choze View Post
    ~Have some of you ruled out the temp change is due to Sensemi skew being disabled by default as that is around a 10C change there? You can re-enable old behaviour if you prefer.
    Question about that: With Sensemi on or off, which mode displays the "correct" temp values? Is it possible with Sensemi on by default that the displayed temps have been higher than I thought? :/

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    ROG Guru: White Belt Array MrPhil17 PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by PLTD89 View Post
    As ded99 pointed out, there is something wrong there in both pictures. The temp of your CPU should be the same temp measured by your motherboard (see CPU temp under the Asus section of your HWi). AIDA64 also measures a lower CPU temp, so maybe check your cooler. At least with me the temps of AIDA64/motherboard CPU/CPU itself are all the same under load.
    I just flash the BIOS. Nothing more, nothing less.

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