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    Quote Originally Posted by marblesrx7 View Post
    I've found that the +20C comes back only after the PC wakes from sleep mode. On cold boot it works like normal with a -20C.
    yes the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by mito1172 View Post
    yes the same
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    From what I understood was that the BIOS itself had the 20°C offset removed in the Monitoring tab as well as the right sidebar which i can confirm got 20°C lower since 1403.

    And the issue with NZXT's CAM (which I also use and hate) and HWMonitor is that they both read the Tctl which has the +20°C offset instead of the Tdie which has no offset to it. You can double check that with HWiNFO which shows both Tctl and Tdie.

    About the "cold boot issue" I and someone else in this thread have:
    I read somewhere else that it might be related to the SoC Voltage. They said that with RAM at 3200mhz needs a VSoC of about 1.155V to get rid of this double boot behavor.

    I tried that and found another strange behavor.

    On AUTO I get a VSoC of about 1.134V in BIOS and HWiNFO.
    On OFFSET with +0.0125V I get 1.09-1.10V.
    With an OFFSET of +0.025V I again get 1.09-1.10V.
    With an OFFSET of +0.0475V I again get 1.09-1.10V.
    On MANUAL with 1.1565V I get 1.134V.

    What the F*** is happening here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrushibaraRuka View Post
    From what I understood was that the BIOS itself had the 20°C offset removed in the Monitoring tab as well as the right sidebar which i can confirm got 20°C lower since 1403.

    And the issue with NZXT's CAM (which I also use and hate) and HWMonitor is that they both read the Tctl which has the +20°C offset instead of the Tdie which has no offset to it. You can double check that with HWiNFO which shows both Tctl and Tdie.

    About the "cold boot issue" I and someone else in this thread have:
    I read somewhere else that it might be related to the SoC Voltage. They said that with RAM at 3200mhz needs a VSoC of about 1.155V to get rid of this double boot behavor.

    I tried that and found another strange behavor.

    On AUTO I get a VSoC of about 1.134V in BIOS and HWiNFO.
    On OFFSET with +0.0125V I get 1.09-1.10V.
    With an OFFSET of +0.025V I again get 1.09-1.10V.
    With an OFFSET of +0.0475V I again get 1.09-1.10V.
    On MANUAL with 1.1565V I get 1.134V.

    What the F*** is happening here?
    Thank you I have set the DOCP profile c14 34 3200 no problem right now it's only testing once and opening pc


    + 20 C Is there a setting cancellation? if so where?
    Last edited by mito1172; 07-08-2017 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mito1172 View Post
    + 20 C Is there a setting cancellation? if so where?
    If you mean a setting in CAM or HWMonitor then no.
    You can hop over to NZXT and add to the bug report here >> http://support.camwebapp.com/forums/...=1&per_page=20

    If you mean in the BIOS then it's like this:
    The BIOS monitors the CPU temp without the Offset so you don't need to tinker with the settings there.

    As far as I understand, and I might be wrong with this, the X versions of the Ryzen CPU's have 2 temp values monitoring programms can read.
    One is the "Tctl" value which adds the 20°C offset. HWMonitor and NZXT CAM are reading this value for what ever reason.
    The other is the "Tdie" which is supposed to be the real CPU temp without the 20°C offset. This is the value AMD's Ryzen Master is reading. (Or Ryzen Master reads the Tctl as well and just subtracts the 20°C if an X version is found)

    So Tctl - Tdie = 20°C according to HWiNFO and basic math skills.

    I hope one of the experts on here can verify if my explanation is correct or correct me as I'm by no means an expert at all!

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    After a long time waiting(didnt try beta bios, used to have 1202) i updated to 1403.
    Nothing Has Changed!!!
    I have Corsair CMU16GX4M2C3200C16 modules. Still 2133Mhz(both with D.O.C.P and Manual mode)
    And the temp issue still exists. Which one i need to trust?
    Ryzen Master - 17.5 C
    Corsair Link - 38 C
    AI Suite - 20 C

    And what do you suggest me about ram? I don't want to sell those modules cos it will cost too much to buy new ones after selling them used.
    Will the new bios be able to solve all problems?
    Thanks.

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    That's unfortunate that Ryzen doesn't have an accurate temperature monitoring circuit like the core temps on Intel processors. Hopefully Ryzen+ will improve the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrushibaraRuka View Post
    If you mean a setting in CAM or HWMonitor then no.
    You can hop over to NZXT and add to the bug report here >> http://support.camwebapp.com/forums/...=1&per_page=20

    If you mean in the BIOS then it's like this:
    The BIOS monitors the CPU temp without the Offset so you don't need to tinker with the settings there.

    As far as I understand, and I might be wrong with this, the X versions of the Ryzen CPU's have 2 temp values monitoring programms can read.
    One is the "Tctl" value which adds the 20°C offset. HWMonitor and NZXT CAM are reading this value for what ever reason.
    The other is the "Tdie" which is supposed to be the real CPU temp without the 20°C offset. This is the value AMD's Ryzen Master is reading. (Or Ryzen Master reads the Tctl as well and just subtracts the 20°C if an X version is found)

    So Tctl - Tdie = 20°C according to HWiNFO and basic math skills.

    I hope one of the experts on here can verify if my explanation is correct or correct me as I'm by no means an expert at all!
    thank you. There was no 1401 + 20 C but returned at 1403 + 20 C. Also cold boot continuing at 1403

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave362 View Post
    Hi guys. Apologies for my bone idolness, but could somebody point me in the right direction for a guide to update my bios to support my high speed ram, but run stable. I only want a mild overclocker of between 3.9 and 4.1.

    I'm running a Ryzen 7 1800x with 32gb of corsair 3200 LED DDR4 (CMU32GX4M2C3200C16R) . Current bios is now 1403.

    I'm not interested in setting any records or taking too many risks.
    I've been through these threads so many times now and tried many things, but my RAM keeps resetting back to stock 21**. I did get it up once but memtweakit gave it 0 for efficiency and my Cinema4d bench test performance went down and that's after adding an Nvidia M400 as well.

    Any help on settings would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crissoliva View Post
    After a long time waiting(didnt try beta bios, used to have 1202) i updated to 1403.
    Nothing Has Changed!!!
    I have Corsair CMU16GX4M2C3200C16 modules. Still 2133Mhz(both with D.O.C.P and Manual mode)
    And the temp issue still exists. Which one i need to trust?
    Ryzen Master - 17.5 C
    Corsair Link - 38 C
    AI Suite - 20 C

    And what do you suggest me about ram? I don't want to sell those modules cos it will cost too much to buy new ones after selling them used.
    Will the new bios be able to solve all problems?
    Thanks.
    I have the exact same memory (same part number anyway). I have been running it at 2666 no problem. Also, temp reporting is ok.
    1403 and 1600X.

    ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave362 View Post
    I've been through these threads so many times now and tried many things, but my RAM keeps resetting back to stock 21**. I did get it up once but memtweakit gave it 0 for efficiency and my Cinema4d bench test performance went down and that's after adding an Nvidia M400 as well.

    Any help on settings would be greatly appreciated.

    Have a look at this vid Dave:

    https://youtu.be/pBmVf0S4UDs

    It's good advice from an Asus pro. Worked for me

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