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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Saknussemm View Post
    There are a whole lot of you out there who seem incapable of grasping the point/value/raison d'etre of this benchmark/stresstest.

    Despite the name being a rather big clue!

    Yes, you can run some legacy benchmark like P95 and knock over your CPU...maybe at lower voltage than RB...that is not the point. The point of this test, is to stress ALL PC subsystems at the same time with a combination of REAL WORLD programs...thus giving you a much more holistic way of assuring stability in everyday computing. With the advantage of not drawing degrading levels of current through the CPU nor breaking the thermal limits of the CPU, nor the power limits.

    It is also offering you choice...if you prefer a stress test that only stresses one thing and promotes electron tunneling at the same time...stick with it.
    Why so angry? Isn't it a valid question? Reading different forums you get different answers, from people I would expects know what they are talking about (checking their credentials; not easy with a name like yours, but you seem to know what you're talking about when I check out your posts here, on this forum). What I find most interesting is the different opinions on the validation of the data output from the CPU; corruption of data that will render it, sooner or later, worthless. I would imagine Windows (10 64 pro) is checking the validity of data before it saves it, and that, that problem is actually taken care of?

    I'm OC'ing as follows, now:
    MB - Rampage V Extreme USB 3.1
    CPU - Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 5960X: 4x4,7GHz + 4x4,6GHz (1,399V)
    GPU - ROG Strix GTX 1080 O8G Gaming: Core 2,190GHz Memory 1,426GHz
    RAM - Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD16GX4M4B3200C15: 3,2GHz (1,6GHz)

    Will do a stress test and see how it works out. Any suggestions on the length of the test, and if it should be done in Normal or Diagnostic Startup?

    I have not played around with the RAM, which I don't know much about. Would like to find a page where there are detailed suggestions for OC'ing Rampage V, anyone know of any? Not talking about the usual 5 to 6 step basic OC-guide, more like - If you do this, and it crashes, do that, and maybe that.
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    If you want to stress-test, I don't see the point to boot in diagnostic mode... you're not after scores, just stability...
    Regarding OC'ing, check out Raja's guides over the Rampage section... (usually they are stickies)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sverre View Post
    Why so angry? Isn't it a valid question?
    Ascribing emotions to written posts is always an interpretive event...likely to say more about the reader than the writer

    Forgive me but I don't see any questions in this post

    Quote Originally Posted by Sverre View Post
    OC'ed my card to 2190/1425 and it runs good in RealBench, but it worries me that this is a frequency I can only dream about in Valley (2151) and Fire Strike (2124).

    OC'ed CPU (5960x) to 4.6GHz (1.35V) without problem and running it on 4.7GHz (1.399V) now. Also a frequency that isn't very stable on other benchmarks.
    Just statements that seem to indicate a misunderstanding of stress testing...I am simply trying to orient you to the correct view/use of this Benchmark/Stresstest.

    I tried to reply to you in your other thread on some of the points you repeat here https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...g-vs-stability

    I simply don't know where you are getting some ideas from. It simply seems like some base assumptions or ideas are wrong and then of course conclusions will be wrong.

    In general this whole stress testing thing and in particular that P95 is the go-to stability test, is nothing more than an internet meme.

    Stability simply means the system is stable doing what you want it to do. If you want P95 stability then you test with P95....but this does not mean stability even for gaming, as we have seen here a thousand times over since P95 stresses only a single part of the PC at worst or one and a bit systems if you chose the right tests.

    That is why RB came about....as a more realworld stress test for gaming/encoding/multimedia stability...the most stressful things that a regular computer user does with their machine. It is enormously useful in this regard and though it cannot cover all use cases it is by far the best test, for regular PC users, out there.

    As far as Overclocking and benchmarking go...the point is, there is no ultimate stress test. There is no stress test that will give you numbers to run for all different use cases or benchmarks. If you bench Firestrike you have to find the OC for Firestrike...and even this differs between Firestrike and Firestrike Extreme and Firestrike Ultra. For Valley you will have to find an entirely different OC etc etc etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Sverre View Post
    Any suggestions on the length of the test, and if it should be done in Normal or Diagnostic Startup?
    If you are testing for system stability for daily use it should be done in your normal daily OS environment...with none of the tweaks applied...such as setting windows for max performance etc...just your normal set up. Benchmarking for maximum score...then apply all the tweaks you want.

    Length is really up to you...another internet meme is 8 hours for RB at the moment....given my past experiences with setting up OCs I'm happy with one or two hours.

    There isn't really any guide of that type...there are of course no recipes for this stuff. Since the components are always different it is pretty much up to you to find out what works best for your system. Raja's guides are certainly the starting point...some users post up their settings https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...543169...again as orientation not recipe...voltages will always have to your own...

    Start a thread...no shortage of help here
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    Arne angry? LMAO. One of the most level headed posters on this forum. Me on the other hand, I often come across less than understood but that's who I am.

    I have to agree 100% with Arne's assessment here. Ive run prime 95 in the past for 24 hours to prove stability only to have my machine crash once using it for something other than pounding the CPU repeatedly with the same instruction set that does nothing more than heat it up. Prime 95s only purpose in my book may be to test you cooling, that about as far as it goes.

    Length of stress testing is subjective, mostly subjective to epeen size. If nothing else you should have seen in your first post here that on a cold boot you may run for 1000 hours uninterrupted then not make it 5 minutes later on. This is a tool like any other stress test. Actual stability will vary from one machine and configuration to the next. When over clocking I use the bench first. If it doesnt pass the bench I dial it down or tweak until it does then move onto the stress test for an hour or so. Once it makes it past the hour I call it good. If its not Ill find out later and may have to dial it back a notch.

    OCing is not an exact science. It has high levels of probabilites but nothing is exact. Chips and memory modules vary, voltage control from one MOBO (same model even) to the next will vary, OS installed, background apps running etc all play a part.

    Bottom line, this tool is just to help you get the best out of what you have and uses a set of instructions that closely resembles actual use instead of those designed to see how well your CPU can be used as a space heater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    Arne angry? LMAO. One of the most level headed posters on this forum. Me on the other hand, I often come across less than understood but that's who I am.

    I have to agree 100% with Arne's assessment here. Ive run prime 95 in the past for 24 hours to prove stability only to have my machine crash once using it for something other than pounding the CPU repeatedly with the same instruction set that does nothing more than heat it up. Prime 95s only purpose in my book may be to test you cooling, that about as far as it goes.

    Length of stress testing is subjective, mostly subjective to epeen size. If nothing else you should have seen in your first post here that on a cold boot you may run for 1000 hours uninterrupted then not make it 5 minutes later on. This is a tool like any other stress test. Actual stability will vary from one machine and configuration to the next. When over clocking I use the bench first. If it doesnt pass the bench I dial it down or tweak until it does then move onto the stress test for an hour or so. Once it makes it past the hour I call it good. If its not Ill find out later and may have to dial it back a notch.

    OCing is not an exact science. It has high levels of probabilites but nothing is exact. Chips and memory modules vary, voltage control from one MOBO (same model even) to the next will vary, OS installed, background apps running etc all play a part.

    Bottom line, this tool is just to help you get the best out of what you have and uses a set of instructions that closely resembles actual use instead of those designed to see how well your CPU can be used as a space heater.
    It took exactly 1 second before I crashed in Albion Online, a game that doesn't require anything from the graphics card (I've played 2 hours now, and the temp is still 33C, which is pretty much the same as it does on almost no load), twice; and that was after I clicked on my character, to enter the world. So, no, this test isn't correct, either.

    He might not have been angry, but the way he replied looked to me as angry, maybe even hostile; probably just bad choice of words.

    I do know a little bit about OC'ing, I have played around with it for 4 or 5 years, but I've never found a real good guide for it, it's mostly the usual 5 or 6 steps. And, of course, I've done stability testing.

    I just reset it to the OC that works with Valley, that works with even the heaviest games (at least I haven't crashed yet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    One of the most level headed posters on this forum
    Man...I thought the hood in my avatar hid that...
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    Sometimes it takes a different level, be prepared is what I say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sverre View Post
    It took exactly 1 second before I crashed in Albion Online, a game that doesn't require anything from the graphics card (I've played 2 hours now, and the temp is still 33C, which is pretty much the same as it does on almost no load), twice; and that was after I clicked on my character, to enter the world. So, no, this test isn't correct, either.
    Have in mind that crashes can happen for reasons not related to OC. Driver issues, game engine bugs, OS corruption etc etc.

    That said if you can pass RB ST it's 99.99% certain that you won't crash in any regular user application. The exception to that (the 0.01%) is GPU overclocking and games. Because the part of the ST that stresses the GPU is actually Compute load and not regular 3D load, there may be cases where instability is not detected on GPU overclocking. If you are overclocking your GPU you should ideally stress test the GPU with something else after you pass RB ST.

    This is what RB ST is all about. It is possible to pass the ST and fail on some hardcore test that calculates whatever. All a stress test does is prove you can pass that particular test. Nothing more. RB's ST loads all available subsystems at the same time and in an asynchronous way creating load spikes and drips on the different subsystems. It is the closest thing to testing everything. Prime95 on the other hand calculates an FFT algorithm that can fit into modern CPU's cache entirely again and again and again. This has nothing to do with a normal load that can happen on your system. You can pass that test for hours only to have your system crash when bulk transfers happen on the PCIe bus for example. So you should ask yourself what you want to do with your system. If you want to use it for medical research and fold proteins, then stress test with that. If you want to calculate prime numbers, go ahead and test your ability to do so. Etc etc etc.
    Same concept is behind the benchmark as well. It allows you to see how fast your PC is on a specific real world task. See real performance gains. In contrast to other benchmarks which also run a synthetic algorithm and give you a score or a FLOPS measurement that means nothing to a user. Yeah my CPU can go 83131263 GFLOPS..what does that mean? How does that translate to real, measurable performance? How much faster will my system actually be if I upgrade? This is what RB aims to do. You can see it when your OC shaves 20 secs off the encoding. It shows you what you are actually gaining or what you could gain by upgrading to a new platform and CPU, etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menthol View Post
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    Is he staring or is he stairing?
    Anywho...that haircut works on so many levels...a real step up from the average haircut.
    Maybe he's Roger Bannister's step-son?
    Favourite music...dubstep?
    Maybe he asked the barber to step aside?...or maybe..."I need a haircut but I'm in a hurry so step on it!"

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    Rofl, so many bad puns in the same post ahahahahaha! :P
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