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    Best chance to get 3200 Mhz ram or more with 4X8 GB kit

    Hello to fellow rog enthusiasts.

    For TL;DR (Too long ; Don't read) jump to last paragraph. Thanks in advance

    Seeing how ram bandwidth really drives performance on some games and other latency sensitive application i was thinking what would be the optimal decision to make regarding ram purchase.

    I have currently ordered a Gskill F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR ram which as its name suggest is a 4X8 GB RGB kit from gskill rated for 3200 Mhz for intel platform.
    I know AMD does not support officially support that kind of speed for 4 dimm single ranked modules but a lot seem to have managed to reach those speed with various BIOS by overclocking.

    Demand for kits at 3200 Mhz has been very high and its very hard to find them is stock. I am considering dropping the ram i currently have ordered and getting higher rated kits at 3600 Mhz or even 3866 Mhz (for intel platforms) which are in stock

    Instead of waiting for the F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR
    https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14q-32gtzr

    to arrive I am specifically eyeing the following (yea i am in love with the looks for this line of RBG) since those even though more expensive are in stock:
    - F4-3600C17Q-32GTZR
    https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3600c17q-32gtzr
    - F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR
    https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3600c16q-32gtzr
    - F4-3866C18Q-32GTZR
    https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3866c18q-32gtzr

    From what i gathered all those kits must be Samsung B die chips inside. Best memory manufacturinng process or ram atm. Is that assumption correct? Any chance any of those have the undredly hynix ones?

    I know getting above 3200 mhz is pretty much a wet dream now and probably in the near future with a Ryzen 7 1800X and a 370X chipset but my train of thought is that the next iteration of ryzen should also run on the crosshair VI hero and most likely will be made on a better and more mature manufacturing process. This process then should support better speeds.

    Some reading of the crosshair VI hero overclocking thread of overclock.net i found some intresting data.
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/r...locking-thread

    Both the ram i ordered F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR and the F4-3866C18Q-32GTZR have managed to get 3200 Mhz stable with 32 GB.
    The F4-3866C18Q-32GTZR has managed to do so with slight higher voltage. Then again this might be due to varition of the IC in memory controller

    DIMM Part number DRAM IC DRAM Configuration BCLK Frequency DRAM Ratio DRAM Frequency Timings Voltage CPU SOC Voltage BIOS version
    F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR Samsung B 4x8GB 100 3200 3200 MHz 18-16-16-38-75-2T 1.35 1.1 Bios:0083
    F4-3866C18Q-32GTZR Samsung B 4x8GB 100 3200 3200 MHz 18-16-16-38-2T 1.4 1.15 0902

    My understanding is the 3866 Mhz kits since is better ic ram can run at 3200 14-14-14-36-2T but the F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR most likely wont be able to reach 3866 at the more loose timing of 18-19-19-39-2N unless you are really lucky. Ryzen 7 seems to care more about speed than timings.

    Should i get the more expensive but faster in stock F4-3866C18Q-32GTZR kit or wait for the out of stock F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR but cheaper kit to increases chances of getting 3200Mhz with 32GB(regarless platform considered)? Maybe the F4-3600C17Q-32GTZR or F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR.

    Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by SexyTerrorisT; 04-16-2017 at 11:50 PM. Reason: typo

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    ROG Guru: White Belt Array BaneSilvermoon PC Specs
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    On a related note, I've been benchmarking RAM speed results all day today and have a bunch of numbers collected. Might start a thread with it. But there's definitely the potential for large performance increase from memory speed bumps. I'm running a 4x8 2666 kit at 3200 right now, with very, VERY loose timings. And all of my test results are pretty much equal or better, despite going from 16,17,17,36 to 21,22,22,44.

    I was contemplating possibly picking up higher speed memory, but now I'm starting to wonder if I should even bother. Still need to do full stability stress testing though.

    https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu...seline=2561881

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaneSilvermoon View Post
    On a related note, I've been benchmarking RAM speed results all day today and have a bunch of numbers collected. Might start a thread with it. But there's definitely the potential for large performance increase from memory speed bumps. I'm running a 4x8 2666 kit at 3200 right now, with very, VERY loose timings. And all of my test results are pretty much equal or better, despite going from 16,17,17,36 to 21,22,22,44.

    I was contemplating possibly picking up higher speed memory, but now I'm starting to wonder if I should even bother. Still need to do full stability stress testing though.

    https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu...seline=2561881
    You are indeed confirming what independent tester and even AMD admitted. I ma however perplexed by your link? 3600 _2666 3600_3200? Running at 3600 Mhz with a 2666 strap vs a 3200 strap?

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    ROG Guru: White Belt Array BaneSilvermoon PC Specs
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    The 3600 is CPU, It's all stock speeds. Had to bump the core voltage a bit to get the RAM to post consistently at 3200 though. Was reading up on the Ryzen Infinity Fabric a lot last night, and with that it makes sense that my under-volted processor might not like increased RAM speeds.
    The infinity fabric stuff is what got me wanting to test this though.

    This is the kit I'm using. 4 sticks.
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820226836

    2666 @1.25v 16,17,17,36
    3200 @1.35v 20,21,21,44

    For what it's worth, it'll survive numerous benchmarks and 20 minutes of Prime, but it's definitely not stable. Locks up Ghost Recon Wildlands after a few minutes, and the longest memtest I managed was 7 minutes. I've gone back to stock settings, but it's got me thinking about buying some 3200 memory now.
    Last edited by BaneSilvermoon; 04-17-2017 at 01:35 AM.

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    The DDR4 3200 ram speed isn't a pipe dream on Ryzen, but you're looking at the wrong G-Skill ram.
    You want G-Skill Flare X ram which is specifically made for AM4 & Ryzen.

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    Here's the link for the G-Skill Flare X DDR4 3200 ram on G-Skill's website. https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gfx

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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array brkkab123 PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by brkkab123 View Post
    Nice, that's the exact RAM that I've been trying to remember the name of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brkkab123 View Post
    The DDR4 3200 ram speed isn't a pipe dream on Ryzen, but you're looking at the wrong G-Skill ram.
    You want G-Skill Flare X ram which is specifically made for AM4 & Ryzen.
    I am aware of this ram. Not a fan of the design and I does not have fancy RGB lighting but costs as much

    Notice how there is no 4X8 GB Flare X kit rated @ 3200 Mhz
    http://gskill.com/en/finder?cat=31&p...=0&series=2954

    Gskill did not manufacture a new ram chip form AMD; they use the finest Samsung B die ram. Maybe a chip they would rate for higher speeds on Intel platforms.
    The dual version of the RGB kit i ordered is listed on Asus QVL as runnig at 3200 Mhz.

    Both 2x8 GB kits ( RGB and Flare X) have 14-14-14-36 timmings. What gskill does not say is command rate on Flare X

    Seen anybody run 2 3200 Mhz 2X8 GB Flare X kits out of the box without an timmings or voltages adjustement whatsoever? If so your point might be valid but have not seen anybody so far. I really need the 32 GB as a big data dev. I would go 64 GB if speeds were not so low..

    This chap has managed 3200 Mhz with 64 GB
    http://valid.x86.fr/yb5uxm
    And this one just shy of 3000 Mhz
    http://cdn.overclock.net/6/67/67ddbb...64GBStable.png
    Last edited by SexyTerrorisT; 04-17-2017 at 08:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaneSilvermoon View Post
    The 3600 is CPU, It's all stock speeds. Had to bump the core voltage a bit to get the RAM to post consistently at 3200 though. Was reading up on the Ryzen Infinity Fabric a lot last night, and with that it makes sense that my under-volted processor might not like increased RAM speeds.
    The infinity fabric stuff is what got me wanting to test this though.

    This is the kit I'm using. 4 sticks.
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820226836

    2666 @1.25v 16,17,17,36
    3200 @1.35v 20,21,21,44

    For what it's worth, it'll survive numerous benchmarks and 20 minutes of Prime, but it's definitely not stable. Locks up Ghost Recon Wildlands after a few minutes, and the longest memtest I managed was 7 minutes. I've gone back to stock settings, but it's got me thinking about buying some 3200 memory now.
    Interesting i nice gain all across besides Face recognition and latency of course
    2666 cas 16 would be: 6 nanoseconds
    3200 cas 20 woulf be: 6.25 nanoseconds
    The calculation is a bit more evolved than that only considered Cas
    A slight hit on system responsiveness for some bandwidth gain

    20 mins of prime is not good enough. 24 houes mimum is needed

    Prime95 will barely test all features of modern cpu and does not heat it that much or hard compared to intel burn test.
    Try using the bundled asus tweaker software for stability. Has a nice range of how hard you want to test it.

    I know that i wont be satisfied with my cpu and ram oc until everything run perfect for 48 hours straight. The errors that will crop up without doing so are going to haunt you. At least me OS system corruption , files corruption, sofwtare crashes and the good old BSOD
    Last edited by SexyTerrorisT; 04-17-2017 at 08:58 AM.

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