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    Since Asus can't make a user defined thermal shutdown in the bios they should make a automated voice tell users when the computer is exceeding a temperature chosen by the user because it is hard to monitor temperatures and game at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas extreme gamer View Post
    Since Asus can't make a user defined thermal shutdown in the bios they should make a automated voice tell users when the computer is exceeding a temperature chosen by the user because it is hard to monitor temperatures and game at the same time.
    You can always use a OSD software to monitor CPU and GPU temps while gaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackROG View Post
    Performance & Stability, I hope everyone will agree is the Number 1!

    Bling, and RGB might look nice, but looks is all it is. I see to many companies pushing looks. Don't get me wrong, many people are into the Eye Candy. I'm into looks, I just hate RGB, give me a cool looking board, nice colors and I'm happy for my Bling Factor. Lighting is just something else to go wrong and mess with!

    With all the goodies being offered on motherboards, I'm seeing a shift towards simplicity, especially those that realize they don't need all the things being offered on the bigger ATX motherboards, can't see the reasons for it, or justify the costs, and just want the basics at good cost, something smaller.

    1. What is the Target Market? The Target Market I am suggesting is the Hardcore Enthusiasts!

    2. What does Hardcore gaming need? Obviously everyone's needs are different.

    5. The reasons for a good Micro ATX is that not everyone needs an ATX size, with all the slots and options.

    As you read this, REMEMBER, we are talking about 'Hardcore Gaming Enthusiasts'.

    When you look at the Micro ATX motherboards for the Gaming Enthusiast Level, these are the only boards I see that fit this category.

    PRIME Z270M-Plus
    ROG STRIX Z270G
    MAXIMUS VIII GENE

    What's wrong with this above picture? It's only 3 choices and that is certainly not enough!

    Why the need for more Micro ATX? Because not everyone is going to need all the hardware support, slots, and options on an ATX, it's just a waste! And SIZE, let's not forget, not everyone wants a BIG computer!

    Asus seems to believe that more is better, and so does everyone else, and that everyone needs it. The truth is, the ATX is where the options and support seem to be, but this should not be the case!

    A Micro ATX should be able to give us the same, just a stripped down version with less hardware on the board is all!

    Let's be honest, how many gamers can say, I have an ATX and only use one PCI-E slot, one video card, I only use a few USB ports, I don't use M.2, etc... I hope you get the idea, because I know there are a lot of people like this.

    3 choices for Micro ATX, for the Gaming Enthusiast Level is terrible!

    What gamers are going to be looking for in the future is SFF (Small Form Factor), why because smaller in technology is the direction!

    So ASUS, the question is, can we PLEASE start seeing more choices for 'Hardcore Gaming Enthusiast' level Micro ATX?

    For my choices, this I know is what we need to start seeing in the Micro ATX category.

    #1 Make sure it has good motherboard layout!

    1. More fan headers - 3-4
    2. Display Port
    3. Good PCI-E lanes
    4. Good VRM phases & cooling
    5. Nice UEFI/BIOS options
    6. Boards with only 1 PCI-E slots
    7. Boards with less SATA connectors
    8. No VGA or Printer ports!
    9. No PS/2 - Isn't Everyone using USB?
    10. No onboard graphics!
    11. Boards that offer no RGB, or at least the ability to turn it off!

    I truly hope Asus sees this reply, and truly considers it, because I know it's the future, and I know one day soon, we are going to see what I'm saying!

    Hi,

    Unfortunately the volume just isn't there for m-ATX, because if you really go for it, the layer count requirements result in board prices boards that are similar to ATX-sized alternatives. At that point, most people opt for ATX, which leads to a low overall volume for the m-ATX offerings. Thats the reality that lies beyond one's immediate perception.

    1) The ASUS Fan Extension card is compatible with some m-ATX models.

    2) Depends on the global audience requirements. Seeing a slow shift towards DP, but some regions keep insisting on DVI options on some models.

    3) Usually you get at least two X16 slots, with a X1, and X4. And that's due to the mainstream platforms (with limited PCIe lanes) being more suitable from a volume perspective. Should be enough for most.

    4) VRMs are are usually more than enough to max out the mainstream CPUs, which consume very little power.

    5) UEFI options for a given chipset are the same across the ASUS family (everything one needs is there).

    6) I assume you mean one X1 PCIe slot? If it's only "1 slot", might as well call it mini-ITX.

    7) This is in contradiction to people that want to use the boards for a small file server. Generally, mainstream chipsets sport six native SATA ports, which are essentially there for free given a two-high SATA connector doesn't take up much real estate.

    8) Usually only found on lower priced models which may end up being shipped to developing regions or those that demand some industrial features.

    9) One would hope so, but there's that vocal minority (like the SFF crowd) that want certain things. If it were up to me, PS/2 would be "ghost."

    10) This is in contradiction to number 2. Can't have DP if you don't have onboard graphics.

    11) You can turn the RGB lighting off.


    Like you, I had hoped SFF would gain momentum. Especially with 4K displays becoming cheaper (which need GPU horsepower if you're want enthusiast performance), but that demand hasn't surfaced yet. Maybe in the future, but certainly not yet. Thanks for the post, though.

    -Raja

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    Asus ROG should make a extreme and apex motherboard combo that overclocks just as well as the apex motherboard but with all the features on the extreme like all motherboards before kabylake.

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    @Bahz thanks...

    @Raja@Asus, Asus really needs to step back and remember where computing came from? ATX is where the gaming world of computing began, so the marketing and mentality still remain with ATX. I'm not saying that right now the demand for ATX is dying anytime soon, it's only going to go away, when technology does make small at the same level.

    Let's also consider the vast majority of the technology world when it began, things were big and now getting smaller.

    Small Form Factor is the future, it's not compilcated to realize this, it's only a matter of time.

    The question is, who's going to make the leap and get it rolling? Because I know this is what people are going to jump on next.

    If I worked in Marketing for Asus, I would put out a serious Memo for Feedback from the gaming community in regards to this, after all, if you can have small doing the same thing, then why would you want a bigger, heavier computer? Hmm

    I know I'm right, watch and see! LOL ;/

    Thanks everyone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackROG View Post
    @Bahz thanks...

    @Raja@Asus, Asus really needs to step back and remember where computing came from? ATX is where the gaming world of computing began, so the marketing and mentality still remain with ATX. I'm not saying that right now the demand for ATX is dying anytime soon, it's only going to go away, when technology does make small at the same level.

    Let's also consider the vast majority of the technology world when it began, things were big and now getting smaller.

    Small Form Factor is the future, it's not compilcated to realize this, it's only a matter of time.

    The question is, who's going to make the leap and get it rolling? Because I know this is what people are going to jump on next.

    If I worked in Marketing for Asus, I would put out a serious Memo for Feedback from the gaming community in regards to this, after all, if you can have small doing the same thing, then why would you want a bigger, heavier computer? Hmm

    I know I'm right, watch and see! LOL ;/

    Thanks everyone...
    I don't think this is true I don't like SSF I hope if Asus makes SSF motherboards they still make ATX and my favorite EATX motherboards.

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    Asus ROG needs to put more fan headers on motherboards so people can have the most fans their case can support there should be 15 ideally 20 fan headers on the Asus rampage vi apex and all future ROG motherboards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackROG View Post
    @Bahz thanks...

    @Raja@Asus, Asus really needs to step back and remember where computing came from? ATX is where the gaming world of computing began, so the marketing and mentality still remain with ATX. I'm not saying that right now the demand for ATX is dying anytime soon, it's only going to go away, when technology does make small at the same level.

    Let's also consider the vast majority of the technology world when it began, things were big and now getting smaller.

    Small Form Factor is the future, it's not compilcated to realize this, it's only a matter of time.

    The question is, who's going to make the leap and get it rolling? Because I know this is what people are going to jump on next.

    If I worked in Marketing for Asus, I would put out a serious Memo for Feedback from the gaming community in regards to this, after all, if you can have small doing the same thing, then why would you want a bigger, heavier computer? Hmm

    I know I'm right, watch and see! LOL ;/

    Thanks everyone...
    We'll be ready when it happens. The transition is slow, and one cannot argue with the current sales volumes.

    If you worked in marketing for ASUS, one of the first questions a product manager would ask you is for clarification regarding onboard DP with no integrated graphics, and good PCIe lanes with one PCIe slot. If one falls over with stuff like that, scope for presenting plans that make industry-wide changes becomes limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas extreme gamer View Post
    Asus ROG needs to put more fan headers on motherboards so people can have the most fans their case can support there should be 15 ideally 20 fan headers on the Asus rampage vi apex and all future ROG motherboards.
    It's easier to use localized splitters instead of running individual cables all the way to each fan. Can't think of any chassis that needs independent controls for 15 fans. Usually, even the most complex builds that utilize multiple loops require no more than 5-7 separate master headers.

    Appreciate the feedback, but we need to think about what we're asking for, and make sure we present a solid case for each request. We can't act upon insufficient reason or contradictory requests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackROG View Post
    @Bahz thanks...

    @Raja@Asus, Asus really needs to step back and remember where computing came from? ATX is where the gaming world of computing began, so the marketing and mentality still remain with ATX. I'm not saying that right now the demand for ATX is dying anytime soon, it's only going to go away, when technology does make small at the same level.

    Let's also consider the vast majority of the technology world when it began, things were big and now getting smaller.

    Small Form Factor is the future, it's not compilcated to realize this, it's only a matter of time.

    The question is, who's going to make the leap and get it rolling? Because I know this is what people are going to jump on next.

    If I worked in Marketing for Asus, I would put out a serious Memo for Feedback from the gaming community in regards to this, after all, if you can have small doing the same thing, then why would you want a bigger, heavier computer? Hmm

    I know I'm right, watch and see! LOL ;/

    Thanks everyone...

    You need to also remember just how industry driven this market is. mATX is currently still somewhat of a compromise, especially given the subject matter here. That said, just because something isn't here yet doesn't mean the industry isn't leaning towards it.

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