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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post
    You mean like that other brand? :P

    Ours all work. Aside from the M9E, the others all need airflow (like all good heatsinks do).
    Haha! Good to hear!

    While good heat sinks may require airflow, really good ones may work just with convective air flow



    As you may notice, the air on the side of the heat sink fin cannot penetrate into it as it can on the slotted side. For position invarient heat sinks (motherboard, and therefore M.2 drives, are mounted in multiple orientations in the various cases out there), a pin-fin design would be preferable.



    These particular heat sinks are forged copper, which, short of silver or other wildly expensive means, is the highest performance heat sink material you can get (copper is very malleable so it is fairly easily forged and results in an excellent microstructure that can conduct heat easily).

    From a marketing perspective, if you claim they are then "Performance Rated at X.X°C/W Natural Convection", competitors couldn't legitimately claim they were better than you without backing it up with numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skunk View Post
    Haha! Good to hear!

    While good heat sinks may require airflow, really good ones may work just with convective air flow



    As you may notice, the air on the side of the heat sink fin cannot penetrate into it as it can on the slotted side. For position invarient heat sinks (motherboard, and therefore M.2 drives, are mounted in multiple orientations in the various cases out there), a pin-fin design would be preferable.



    These particular heat sinks are forged copper, which, short of silver or other wildly expensive means, is the highest performance heat sink material you can get (copper is very malleable so it is fairly easily forged and results in an excellent microstructure that can conduct heat easily).

    From a marketing perspective, if you claim they are then "Performance Rated at X.X°C/W Natural Convection", competitors couldn't legitimately claim they were better than you without backing it up with numbers.

    Yes, but the air around the sink needs to be cool, so relying solely on convection tends to limit dissipation within a chassis unless there is.....airflow. Of course, much of it depends on the heat output of the component being cooled, too.

    Have used a lot of heatsinks in my time, including on high-biased class A amps. Environmental factors make a huge difference, and sometimes one just needs adequate airflow to get a substantial drop in temps. Of course, fin designs are better in that regard, but, have to be honest, the chances of us going over to 'industrial' style sinks is...marginal But hey, that's what DIY is for.

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    PCIE and Chassis

    Anyone read the release from AMD today where they may be using infinity fabric on GPU,s so that they may be able to put say 4 GPU cores on one GPU to be equivalent to 4 way SLI so the need for Many PCIE slots may become obsolete it may only need one PCIE slot.


    My thoughts are a modular chassis that you can start small for the main works ie mobo, gpu, ram SSDs PSU etc, then make it modular so you can add a bolt on top box with a rad and fans, with the watercooling connection working on a through connector.

    Same with a bottom box, Rad, fans, space for the PSU, again with through connectors.

    Even different front boxes with rad, fans and possibly a resevoir all with through connectivity. So you only have to connect up inside the original case with tubing

    That way those that are loaded can order the whole shebang and those that are not can update as they go along,

    You are already working with EKWB on monoblocks for the mobos, just need to find a chassis manufacturer to work with on the modular case design.

    If the cases were well designed ie just boxes there could be add ons in plastic all around like on the current rgb boards that could be fitted externally. To customise individual cases

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post
    Of course, fin designs are better in that regard, but, have to be honest, the chances of us going over to 'industrial' style sinks is...marginal But hey, that's what DIY is for.
    Yeah, I was trying to think if there was any way to stylize a pin-fin without forsaking it's fuctionality.

    My first thoughts were toward pointillism, but I'm not sure if the density would be high enough, or resolution large enough. Shaping the ends of the fins might help with the density/resolution -- think of a shape like a slot screw driver where you have a blade at the end to form the image (it could even be curved or multi-pronged like a philips head, if desired...advanded multi-step manufacturing may also allow for overhang of the tip relative to the shaft of the pin).

    Another idea to consider is instead of round pins, more angular pins could be made. The shaping could be all of the grooves look like a bird's nest, or you could make them like overlapping ROG Mayan styling. I'm not sure if the overlapping patterns would muddle the overall effect, but forming ledges on the pins could separate each layer into a 3D layed Mayan pattern look, when looking at it off of the normal axis.

    Yet another idea would be to edge light the pin fins with LEDs. There could be some interesting shadow effects through a forest of pins, especially if they are not regularly spaced (in the case of bird's nest of Mayan patterned pins). This could be even more artsy than a half-silvered mirror for infinite depth.

    And then all of these could be combined for a 3D Mayan pattern pin fin array with bladed tips to form a stylized ROG eye that has LED edge lighting to do all sorts of LED effects...and it's very functional at the same time
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    This idea is really expensive!

    How about a "MARS" dual gtx 1080ti?
    -crazy 80% binned gpus
    -1650MHz base 1760MHz boost
    -11.5GHz memory
    -ekwb blocks
    -32 phase power (16 for each gpu)
    -8 phase memory (4 for each gpu)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Bae View Post
    How about a "MARS" dual gtx 1080ti?
    -crazy 80% binned gpus
    -1650MHz base 1760MHz boost
    -11.5GHz memory
    -ekwb blocks
    -32 phase power (16 for each gpu)
    -8 phase memory (4 for each gpu)
    -5X 8 pin power
    -RGB backplate and block
    Definitely possible to do but heat coming out of this would be pretty intense, but in the end it would be more of an issue with the cost being too high. Of course I'm sure there will be enough collectors and enthusiast that would buy it, but from a business standpoint it's probably hard to justify this ahead of other projects. I'm guessing if something like this was offered, it would be like previous MARS cards where there will be 500 or less units that will be manufactured.

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    ROG Strix X370-E Motherboard

    Hello ROG community,

    Thank you for doing this ASUS, this is a really cool way of reaching out to the public for input!

    I think an X370 (and also a B350) motherboard that has onboard wifi would be a great addition to the lineup for Ryzen motherboards. Basically the equivalent to a ROG Strix Z270E for the Ryzen chipsets is what I'm thinking of. The price to value of the Z270E board is phenomenal so if you did the same for X370 and/or B350 it would be a no brainer for anyone who wants to do a gaming build but also wants wifi IMO.

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    Regarding heat sinks and not being any expert, would thin gauge aluminum be a better fin material, as it is used as the mechanically bonded heat transfer mechanism in most HVAC coils. Is the manufacturing possible, or would the surface area be attainable? Is it economically viable as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemon50 View Post
    Regarding heat sinks and not being any expert, would thin gauge aluminum be a better fin material, as it is used as the mechanically bonded heat transfer mechanism in most HVAC coils. Is the manufacturing possible, or would the surface area be attainable? Is it economically viable as well?
    The main thing for us is striking the right balance between dissipation and aesthetics. Ergo, going hyper-industrial isn't on the agenda...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunkmann00 View Post
    Hello ROG community,

    Thank you for doing this ASUS, this is a really cool way of reaching out to the public for input!

    I think an X370 (and also a B350) motherboard that has onboard wifi would be a great addition to the lineup for Ryzen motherboards. Basically the equivalent to a ROG Strix Z270E for the Ryzen chipsets is what I'm thinking of. The price to value of the Z270E board is phenomenal so if you did the same for X370 and/or B350 it would be a no brainer for anyone who wants to do a gaming build but also wants wifi IMO.
    Thanks for sharing your feedback, to me it seems like wifi on motherboards gets overlooked but in fact there are a lot of people who prefer using wifi over LAN connection. Maybe you can also share where you have your system situated in your house, why you prefer wifi over LAN, and what you use your system for other than gaming.

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