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    Quote Originally Posted by starlightknight View Post
    I put together my Zenith + 1950x last night :-)

    I unfortunately have struggled with two frustrating issues:

    1) I have a Inateck USB PCIe Expansion Card (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FPIMICA..._t2_B00FPIMJEW) that I need working despite there being an abundance of USB ports on the back of the board (basically, for PCIe Passthrough to a KVM for native dedicated ports for those technically inclined that are curious). The Zenith Extreme refuses to boot with this card installed, even though it works fine with two other boards I have on hand. The second its put in the Zenith the board hangs on code B4 - Load VGA BIOS.

    Tried the following:
    a) Update to latest BIOS 0503 (didn't help. latest beta BIOS link is broken in the sticky)
    b) Tried moving PCIe slots. Happens in any slot.
    c) Tried removing all other PCIe cards other than the GPU and this one. Doesn't help.
    d) Tried disabling non-essential onboard devices in case of conflict. Doesn't help
    e) Tried toggling preferring UEFI/Drivers/CSM options - doesn't help
    f) Tried toggling legacy USB support, doesn't help
    I have this same exact issue. I hope someone has a fix, or this can be fixed with a BIOS update. I also have a Inateck and also another brand (Allegro Pro). Both have the same issue as if the motherboard is detecting them as VGA cards.

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    @starlightknight and inc77
    Not sure if it helps but here is link to latest beta 9910, I had trouble downloading it too.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz2...ew?usp=sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlightknight View Post
    I put together my Zenith + 1950x last night :-)

    I unfortunately have struggled with two frustrating issues:

    1) I have a Inateck USB PCIe Expansion Card (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FPIMICA..._t2_B00FPIMJEW) that I need working despite there being an abundance of USB ports on the back of the board (basically, for PCIe Passthrough to a KVM for native dedicated ports for those technically inclined that are curious). The Zenith Extreme refuses to boot with this card installed, even though it works fine with two other boards I have on hand. The second its put in the Zenith the board hangs on code B4 - Load VGA BIOS.

    Tried the following:
    a) Update to latest BIOS 0503 (didn't help. latest beta BIOS link is broken in the sticky)
    b) Tried moving PCIe slots. Happens in any slot.
    c) Tried removing all other PCIe cards other than the GPU and this one. Doesn't help.
    d) Tried disabling non-essential onboard devices in case of conflict. Doesn't help
    e) Tried toggling preferring UEFI/Drivers/CSM options - doesn't help
    f) Tried toggling legacy USB support, doesn't help

    Any advice on this is appreciated, as this was really frustrating.

    2) The Zenith Extreme seems to be randomly losing my boot drive order. Several times upon rebooting, I end up in the bios from no bootable drives on the list and I have to set the right drive manually again. This may be related to that I'm using an 8-port PCIe SATA Card in conjunction with the onboard ports (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

    The only things I've noticed is that when this happens and I change the order back to how it should be, the BIOS doesn't recognize me as having made any changes when I hit save and exit. Despite this, it does save.... for awhile. I haven't noticed any commonalities in what causes it to lose it - sometimes it just a normal reboot.
    I'm sad to say that this build has turned into an absolute disaster for me. Between the breaking bios bugs with my PCIe cards, spending forever coaxing the board into booting with 8 DIMMs, and the fact that AMD-V/IOMMU/SVM virtualization is basically completely broken and unusable on the Threadripper at the moment (seemingly common regardless of motherboard), I'm left with a very expensive machine that is basically completely unusable for the purpose I bought it for. After wasting the last 48 hours on trying to get this thing to work properly, I'm basically having to consider rolling back to my previous CPU/MB in order to get things done. If I do, that'll be the first time in the last 20 years that this had to happen.

    Lots of information on the IOMMU issues here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...i_passthrough/ (I am not the poster, but I hit the exact some issues).

    For an asking price of $549 on the motherboard and $999 on the processor, this is not leaving me with a good early impression, especially for such expensive and high end parts. I understand that there will always be bugs early on, but a lot of these issues are the same ones that the normal Ryzen hit early on in its release. AMD eventually released the AGESA 1006 update which had to be combined with a BIOS update to address these issues. I would have expected AMD & Partners to have learned from that experience and for this round to be better - especially since a Threadripper is basically two glued together Ryzens on a big chip, and the HEDT version is actually suited/targeted for the workstation usage that this functionality is most critical for. I was very much looking forward to having 16 cores and all those PCIe lanes, and I was ready and willing to pay the premium for it. Coming from the 6-core 6800K i was expecting this to be a big improvement for my usage, with much more available processing power. Unfortunately, these blocking issues are preventing me from taking advantage of it :-(

    Here's to hoping BIOS and driver fixes come in soon....

    @ASUS - if any additional info would help in fixing this issues, let me know. I'll provide anything needed.

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    that's great
    Dont worry AMDguru, ROG has new one Crosshair VI Extreme for AM4 ...But there is thread about HEDT TR4 chipset motherboards
    طراحی سایت

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikan02 View Post
    @starlightknight and inc77
    Not sure if it helps but here is link to latest beta 9910, I had trouble downloading it too.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz2...ew?usp=sharing
    Unfortunately still same issue...

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    Adding to the list of BIOS issues:

    This is probably an uncommon issue, but -

    I really appreciate the PCIe on/off switches as it makes troubleshooting and isolating issues with specific cards much easier, especially for certain cases (*glares at the Corsair 900d*) where screwing things in/out is a pain on the PCIe slots.

    One thing I noticed in my struggles with PCIe cards was that if you have a GPU in the bottom slot, you can't post with it (I know this is not the recommended slot, as you're limited to x8). The board will hang on Code 92 Post VGA BIOS and will not proceed. In this case, I was testing slot by slot and had the other slots disabled. As long as its not the only card, the card works fine in this slot once in the OS, but will not work until you get there. In the case of failures, this bug can limit your ability to isolate the issue using the switches, and could also be misleading.

    Edit: I noticed that the LED display lists this code while everything is running normally - so maybe the code is not related, just the output doesnt show?
    Last edited by starlightknight; 08-27-2017 at 05:22 PM.

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    Updated to 9910 without issues, thank you for all the updates by the way.
    -Memory Optimized phase control work better than Extreme for some reason on this version. Tried to swap a few times.
    -Memory latency seem slightly slower with same settings.
    -Managed to add another 50 MHz on CPU at kinda low voltage, increased stability I guess.

    My TR @4200 Fire Strike Physics score 31543 ^^
    https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13470054

    Edit:
    Forgot to mention something I noticed on earlier. Clear Cmos button on backside does
    not reset Memory Access Mode to Distributed if it is changed to Local.
    But Load Optimized Defaults does, so remember to do both before updating.

    @starlightknight
    Maybe helpful.
    On my 750D´s I increased the standoffs from 6mm+3mm to 9mm+3mm.
    Used older 8mm+4mm and added two tiny 0.5mm washers between pc case and the standoffs to get 9mm+3mm instead.
    Now it just clears the rubber grommets even with the thick back-shield and all the GPU locks on motherboard works.
    GPU locks would probly work best with 10mm+3mm but at 9mm+3mm
    they just need a little help and IO back panel is only unnoticeable slightly offset.
    Did this on two 750D (one with the Zenith and one with a RVE10).
    Last edited by Mikan02; 08-27-2017 at 06:48 PM.

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    @ASUS - here is all the information I've collected from my IOMMU/Virtualization issues noted previously. Please pass on to engineering.

    lspci -tv: https://pastebin.com/u1N46P5G
    lspci -vv GPUs: https://pastebin.com/qvpbDV4p
    lspci -vvv (Full): https://pastebin.com/hkZXzeAY
    IOMMU Groups: https://pastebin.com/RhXM9uPt
    KVM/Libvirtd Config: https://pastebin.com/EvJGe5BM
    KVM Log: https://pastebin.com/sb21r4EH
    VFIO DMESG (on VM start): https://pastebin.com/HqUyAT1y
    /proc/interrupts: https://pastebin.com/G8pzScxZ

    OS: Linux Mint 18.2 Cinnamon Edition (Ubuntu 16.04)
    CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950x
    MB: Asus Zenith Xtreme (BIOS 0503)
    MEM: 8x16GB (128GB) Crucial Ballistix BLS4K16G4D240FSC
    GPU: 2x EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 Hybrid (No SLI - GPU2 bound to VFIO for VM passthrough)
    Other: Inatek USB PCIe (KTU3FR-5O2U, disabled due to BIOS bugs), Supermicro AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 8-port SATA, Asus 10GEth PCIe (Bundled w/ Zenith), Ceton InfiniTV 4 PCIe

    Kernels tried:
    4.8, 4.10, 4.12, 4.13rc6

    Versions tried:
    QEMU 2.5, Libvirt 2.5
    QEMU 2.9, Libvirt 2.5
    QEMU 2.10rc4, Libvirt 3.6.0

    (same result on all of them)

    Root problem: Pass-through GPU stuck in D3 state, no output. VM hangs. Let me know if there is any more information I can provide.
    Last edited by starlightknight; 08-28-2017 at 04:30 AM.

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    Some additional observations:

    1) IOMMU currently fails to isolate the PCIe x4 slot, it gets grouped in with a bunch of other devices. The rest of the slots do seem to isolate properly. This can be observed in the logs provided in the previous post. The x4 slot is 05:00.0 which gets tossed into group 12 with a bunch of other stuff.

    2) Suspend/resume issues: Computer fails to wake from sleep with a 1080 Ti. I am not overclocking my build or memory when observing this, so that's not related. Full specifications in the previous post

    3) A handful of these issues have manifested themselves in different ways across the common X399 motherboards. This may point to some of the issues being bugs in AMD's AGESA base code. However, not all of them at least seem to be - for example, some users on the previously linked reddit thread reported observing tons of PCI bus errors in their logs that I have yet to see. It remains unclear how much of the bug(s) are chipset firmware vs. bios. There definitely seem to be a handful of PCIe related issues though considering some cards like the USB PCIe controllers cause the board to not even boot. It also is worth noting that this particular issue has been confirmed on other X399 motherboards as well.

    4) Issues have been reported to AMD as well but they have yet to comment on their forums: https://community.amd.com/message/28...omment-2820922

    Other thoughts: Some acknowledgment that my report on these issues has been received and passed on to engineering would be nice. I've seen ASUS staff posting in other threads in this sub-forum, including in the last 24 hours, and actively in this thread up until the point that I started providing a bunch of bug reports on broken functionality. Since then there's been crickets chirping. No one has responded to my actual support tickets that I filed last week either. It is frustrating when you have a $1500+ broken build and both AMD/Asus are quiet on the issues. I understand that there will always be bugs at first on initial product releases, and I'm fully willing to work with you on getting them fixed and provide any information necessary to do so. Complex issues take a little time to resolve and I'm not demanding immediate fixes or anything, but it would be nice to know things are being looked into.

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    Updated to 0601 without issues.
    -Noticed UEFI bios, OLED changed to CPU package temps I think, AIDA64 also show this on CPU.
    -9910 and 0601 not seen any odd sensor spikes on these, at least not so far.
    -Extreme Memory phase control now have similar performance as Optimized.

    @4125 CB15 3556^^

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