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    I do not even know what to say lol I think we can see slightly better results in proper benchmarks.
    Slides on wccftech was from this video, but they skipped some. (Warning? ^^)


    Futuremark HOF single gpu and dual gpu have been showing interesting results lately and
    will continue doing so when more people post result with their new systems.
    I guess we will see several Rampage VI, Apex and Zenith boards soon.

    Currently the 6950X still do very well overall and I still
    have my 6950X and 5960X running on each their RVE10.

    Each generation chipsets have their launch issues for different reasons,
    hope they will be fixed soon for both sides so we get a clearer picture of difference.

    Looks like I have to wait about a week or so extra for my Zenith before
    they mail it to me, first date showed 11th Aug.
    TR CPU delayed by 2-5 days, at least I get to look at it for a few days
    and any benchmarks/futuremark result that might pop up while I wait. ^^

    Edit:
    New uefi update posted other day btw (0305)
    https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/RO...Desk_Download/
    Last edited by Mikan02; 08-07-2017 at 01:58 AM.

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    I have only one system, he work 24/7, but for me is enough.
    Only If I could upgrade him little faster, that would be nice.
    i7-6950X is still attractive for me, I would rather upgrade on him than i7-7820X.
    But i9-7900X is definitely better option.

    AMD we will see... people wait and think how 1950X work in games.


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    Some more scores^^
    http://wccftech.com/amd-threadripper...y-performance/
    if you prefer Guru3D instead
    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd...d-cooling.html

    Found this earlier, explains why current AIO´s used works but is not ideal.
    http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3...age-vs-die-ihs

    Most likely we will see some AIO´s made to properly fit TR, Corsair said they are looking at it at a forum post.
    But I guess ideal would be if EK complete their new AIO system. ^^

    AMD TR Thermal paste methods benchmarked
    http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/30...ds-benchmarked


    Looks like I get CPU tomorrow, but Zenith is still delayed. Got everything else I need already.
    I hope I get it earlier.

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    Last leak before release I guess
    Zenith and 1920X
    http://wccftech.com/amds-12-core-ryz...ra-benchmarks/

    I contacted Futuremark if it was possible for Time Spy to better support TR and high core count.
    Seems like both AMD and INTEL have to wait to get properly benchmark if more than 10 cores/20threads.
    We have no plans to modify Time Spy test. It is designed to test DX12 performance of "normal" gaming computers. Threadripper and other workstation/server-grade systems that have more than 8 cores do not scale that well in most games, so Time Spy reflects the game performance of these systems perfectly fine.

    We have plans to launch a "Time Spy Extreme" test later this year that is aimed for systems that have very high number of cores and it will have a new physics test that will scale to way more threads than the Time Spy test. It will be a free update to everyone who has current Time Spy test.

    On a more general level, we rarely if ever change benchmarks that are already out unless there is an actual bug. The situation with Threadripper and other 10+ core systems in Time Spy is not a bug - the test is specifically designed to scale only to about 8-10 cores (16-20 threads).

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    That mean for 1000$ definitely should go on AMD configuration.
    Intel nicely digged grave to self and later will sell i9 for 550$.
    Maybe should back them in production to take more PCI-E lanes 28 too much, should cut on 16.
    And they could sell unfinished CPU and customers to finish production and back IHS on place, CPU without thermal paste.
    At least is easier for buyers only to install new paste. Significantly lower chance to destroy CPU.
    Maybe Intel should consider really to sell CPU without thermal paste and IHS in separate plastic bag and customers to finish CPU but they have good paste and warranty and Intel save even more, because no matter how cheap is paste she cost something, they could completely save cost and remove CPU from production line earier. 2/3 finished product could save them a lot of money and customers install paste they want.
    I think this is good idea for next year for Intel. Maybe they could sell IHS not to give him for free, example two kind of IHS, i7 IHS and i9 IHS.
    From different materials, 99$ and 199$ worth IHS with laser engraved Intel logo for loyal customers.But i7 IHS need to fit only on i7 CPU because someone would try to save 100$, that's not acceptable to Install i7 IHS on i9 CPU die.


    I would like to know who will buy Kaby Lake and 400-500$ worth motherboard? That's nice question for Intel management team because looks like someone done lobotomy on them.
    I can't believe that Intel will satisfied with number of customers ready to pay 1999$ in November, December only to have top and strongest CPU.
    Because performance in real work of i9-7890XE compare to 1950X will not be nothing important, even if he is faster, OK it's faster, but what you get, 5 min on 1h of work and for his cost you can pay two 1950X for two RIGs. For self and wife, or son or brother.
    Last edited by Vlada011; 08-10-2017 at 01:32 PM.


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    @Vlada011
    Sound like a great idea. I think high end overclockers would love it.
    Either way I think this is good for users on both sides.
    I hope this is enough to really push Intel to advance and that AMD keeps up.
    Harder to choose but hopefully more ok prices.

    So many reviews lol
    Guru3D Review TR 1950X^^
    http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages...-review,1.html
    Guru3D Review TR 1920X
    http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages...-review,1.html
    Guru3D Review ROG Zenith<3
    http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages...-review,1.html

    Note from Tomraider (2016) benchmark ^^
    ** Right before testing Ryzen 3 and Threadripper a new game patch was issued and kicked in. Ryzen perf is going up and up and up and up with each new patch (great to see). We still need to re-test Ryzen series 5 and 7 but as you can see, the immense gap has pretty much been closed with merely game engine optimizations.
    Wccftech made review roundup.
    http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-thread...p-x399-launch/

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    I'm really dissapointed with Intel.
    Only people ready to pay 1999$ could say I have stronger CPU than AMD.
    And AMD most expensive model cost 999$.

    It's really bad ...
    fact that you build Intel i9-7900X for 999$ and ROG motherboard 500$ and you have weaker CPU than AMD platform for same money is bad.
    Don't even to talk about i7-7820X...

    With these prices I could predict that Intel will lost 15-20% of market of Desktop CPU to the new Year.
    They profit could grow because other things, but they lost because they are not any more only logic choice of enthusiasts who want to pay more for best.
    Now you pay more for weaker.

    It's time to Intel bury Nehalem descendants and redesign New Next Gen Core.
    For that we need to wait 2-3 years, maybe more.
    New completely different name, new logo, new marketing, new core, new chipset, new socket, new memory controller, everything NEW.
    Before that we will look suffering.
    Last edited by Vlada011; 08-10-2017 at 03:18 PM.


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    Well have the 1950X, that box is huge I put Intel 6950X box beside it and it was so tiny lol
    Still waiting for Zenith. ^^

    I think it will be random what CPU perform best and very depended what your going to do.
    More developers optimizing software and games for Ryzen/TR will level some of it but not everything.
    Going to be interesting to see when I get it cause I really like to see it myself and compare it to my 6950X.
    I love new tech so it going to be fun. I do expect to see some differences and most likely bump into some
    trouble cause its new and have massive core count.^^

    What I love to see from both sides in future is a new series, that can do really high synced core (maybe 8-10-12 at start) + really high
    strap overclock or just default to 200 + massive amount cache for each core + quad channel memory (low latency) and
    have all the lanes needed for zero bottleneck.
    Something in between but high end still, for overclock and gaming (SLI/Crossfire/Multi GPU) ^^

    Several memory QVL lists got added (mostly different speeds below 3200).
    https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/RO...Desk_Download/

    Edit:
    Must admit I am tempted, still want to wait for the EK AIO system is done.
    https://www.ekwb.com/news/ek-announc...-water-blocks/
    Last edited by Mikan02; 08-11-2017 at 12:16 AM.

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    I only can say you are lucky guy if you have such processors.
    I have i7-5820K.

    I definitely like AMD TR4 socket.
    Special because no handle, only screws.
    And other people probably think same.
    We need to be fair... It's nicer, cooler and more modern locker mechanism than on 1151, 2011-3, 2066 or AM4.

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    Now about cooling so big CPU.
    Maybe we could expect few AIO systems design special for Threadripper and definitely EKWB CPU block special for TR4 socket.
    Old will be compatible but they want to try with something only for Threadripper.
    I would not be surprised some trailer to show up soon with rumors about EKWB Monoblock for Zenith Extreme and 1950X/1920X.
    Last edited by Vlada011; 08-11-2017 at 04:40 PM.


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    EK increased cold plate size from 58mm to 68mm for TR, but that cold plate is square.
    Since most AIO tend be universal and have round cold plate, I guess they have to do slightly different solution.
    It still have to be small enough to not touch memory sticks, that is kinda close already on many AIO.

    I think Corsair have a 360mm AIO that they intend to release soon but not sure if it is adapted to TR or if
    they made a alternate version for TR.
    Either way I would love to use a TR version of EK´s AIO when they release it.

    One thing is for sure is that TR is really selling well now I think,
    saw a post over at Guru3D mention Amazon was sold out both 1950x and 1920x.
    Also The Zenith, 1950X and 1920X is currently featured stories over at Guru3D.^^

    But this really made my day, and I am kinda proud of both AMD and Nvidia for this.
    http://wccftech.com/nvidia-welcomes-...gh-fives-back/

    G.Skill FlareX for Ryzen TR 32GB@3600 and 32GB@3466 (16-18-18-38)
    // 32GB@3200 and 128GB@2933 (14-14-14-34) I am keeping my current kit but wow lol
    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/g-s...rocessors.html
    https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view...%A2-processors

    I love the design on X399 Strix specially the ROG chipset heat sink^^
    https://rog.asus.com/articles/maximu...adripper-cpus/

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