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    Quote Originally Posted by Brighttail View Post
    I've ordered items from B&H before and have no issues with them. Their prices are good. My issue is they are in the US. Their price of $649 which is about $815 CAD. That is fine....but then there is shipping and worst of all brokerage. B&H estimates over $150CAD for brokerage. So I'd rather buy it within canada than outside unless I can pick itup in the US while i'm here.
    There is also Amazon.ca when it eventually becomes in-stock: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B074JCV2QL/

    And Newegg has newegg.ca.

    I am not familiar with the Canadian market for geek gear, but do you mainly buy from NCIX?

    Here in the U.S., we also have a chain of Micro Center stores. I like to support Micro Center because their prices are very competitive and I like how they can sometimes offer cheaper prices than the huge companies such as Amazon and Newegg. At a time when these huge online retailers are causing many small retailers to shut down, Micro Center still remains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonPurr View Post
    There is also Amazon.ca when it eventually becomes in-stock: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B074JCV2QL/

    And Newegg has newegg.ca.

    I am not familiar with the Canadian market for geek gear, but do you mainly buy from NCIX?

    Here in the U.S., we also have a chain of Micro Center stores. I like to support Micro Center because their prices are very competitive and I like how they can sometimes offer cheaper prices than the huge companies such as Amazon and Newegg. At a time when these huge online retailers are causing many small retailers to shut down, Micro Center still remains.
    Ah good catch I was looking for this. I don't mind buying from Amazon if it is a good/fair price as I have never had a problem with returns. Sadly I'm sure someone is going to get early stock at Amazon and they will charge $200 more. LOL
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    Waiting for extreme so long buddy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonPurr View Post
    Yeah, Raja is the best resource and can confirm this.

    But in regards to "the Extreme only has an 8+4 setup", theoretically the 8-pin delivers up to 336 watts at 28 amps, and the extra 4-pin delivers up to 192 watts at 16 amps. So the 8+4 is definitely no slouch compared to 8+8, and it is sufficient power for 18 cores, especially when you are not doing extreme OC (i.e. LN2 or LHe cooling) and just aiming for a mild 4.4 OC on all cores. The R6E VRM can also handle more than 400 watts of power. Trying for 4.9 on all 18 cores may bring you lots of problems and throttling, but less due to the inability to deliver power, assuming you have a good robust PSU with good cables, and more due to the dangerous CPU voltage and temperatues needed to reach that. Ryzen/Threadripper hit their voltage/thermal wall at 4.1 or 4.2 GHz on all cores. The 7900X hits the wall at about 4.8 GHz on all cores, unless you use LN2/LHe. And I really doubt that the 7980XE will OC better than the 7900X. Since the 7900X has been released for more than two months now, I have been scanning numerous sites looking for the fastest, yet stable and safe, OC that someone has done on all cores where the temp stayed under 90-C. I have looked across OCN, userbenchmark, pcpartpicker, hwbot, valid.x86.fr, etc, etc, and no one has posted a confirmed stable-and-safe 4.9 GHz on all cores with temps of low-80s or less, even with delidded 7900X CPUs. One guy's delidded 7900X reach 5.1 GHz on the Turbo Boost Max two fastest cores, but his temps tipped the 90s and he ended up settling for the two fastest cores at 4.9. So even delidding will get you only about 200 MHz extra OC, but not enough to reach 4.9 GHz on all cores.

    Another reason that I think the R6E can totally handle the 7980XE with a big water loop (which is what I will also use) is that I am very sure that, with the R6E's very late release, Asus engineers very likely have a near-final engineering sample of the 7980XE to test with. The Asus engineers would not test overclocking the 7980XE on the R6E using LN2, but I would think that they have already tried various OC runs using the 7980XE on their R6E.

    I really think that the R6E will be available for purchase within the next four weeks. Unless Intel's remaining HCC i9 CPUs are delayed... in which case the R6E will also be purposely delayed further since I think both mobo and CPUs are joined at the hip by a partnership agreement. If Intel's other i9s are delayed and not released on Sep 25, then the R6E will be released on a month ending in "ber". (just partially kidding!!)
    Thank you DragonPurr, this is the kind of information I was looking for. I've got my 3930K up to around 4.5GHz on the R4Black Edition, but it wasn't spectacularly stable, but at 4.2GHz it's stable like a rock, even under stress testing.

    I'm hoping to go big with the 7980XE and get a good 4.4-4.5GHz OC with the R6E.

    Then I can honestly say "It belongs in a Museum!" when anyone asks about this computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brighttail View Post
    Ah good catch I was looking for this. I don't mind buying from Amazon if it is a good/fair price as I have never had a problem with returns. Sadly I'm sure someone is going to get early stock at Amazon and they will charge $200 more. LOL
    In regards to price-gouging, I am okay with someone inflating the price by 5% or 10% on hot in-demand items. But both on Amazon and Newegg, whenever you see sellers price-gouging 30%, 50%, or even 200% and 300% markups above MSRP, those sellers often also have other shady business ethics such as selling used items that they advertise as "New" or selling an older revision of a product that they advertised as being the latest version, etc.

    Do you also have a local brick-and-mortar computer store that you shop at located near where you live? I am within a one-hour drive time of a Micro Center here in the U.S. They know me around the store as a regular customer. Sometimes I am in need of some non-standard screws, bolts, or other hardware, and I bring my bracket or hardware to their store and they let me go into their rear room where they do computer repairs, they bring out several large bins containing hundreds of screws, nuts, bolts, washers, and other hardware sorted into compartments, and they let me sit there and rummage through their spare parts for what I need, and they don't charge me for whatever screws and bolts I take. I just think that is totally cool and it has saved me lots of time on several occasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavtop View Post
    Thank you DragonPurr, this is the kind of information I was looking for. I've got my 3930K up to around 4.5GHz on the R4Black Edition, but it wasn't spectacularly stable, but at 4.2GHz it's stable like a rock, even under stress testing.

    I'm hoping to go big with the 7980XE and get a good 4.4-4.5GHz OC with the R6E.

    Then I can honestly say "It belongs in a Museum!" when anyone asks about this computer.
    I think you will be fine with 4.5 GHz on all cores on the 7980XE with a good custom water loop, although the usual silicon lottery rules always apply and your room's ambient temp is always also a big factor (bigger for you since you live in Phoenix). Some guy in Korea was already doing 4.5 GHz on all cores a few days ago using the Apex with a 7980XE that I can only assume is a pre-release engineering sample since it is not supposed to be released until Sep 25. But the R6E will not be worse than the Apex for that kind of non-extreme OC. And while running HandBrake transcoding and the 3DMark benchmark, his temps reach the low 80s on an un-delidded CPU. I am not so sure about 4.5 GHz on all cores running Prime95. But for workstation and gaming use, it's ok. And if that Korean guy did 4.5 on an engineering sample, I would assume that the final CPU could also at least match that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonPurr View Post
    I think you will be fine with 4.5 GHz on all cores on the 7980XE with a good custom water loop, although the usual silicon lottery rules always apply and your room's ambient temp is always also a big factor (bigger for you since you live in Phoenix). Some guy in Korea was already doing 4.5 GHz on all cores a few days ago using the Apex with a 7980XE that I can only assume is a pre-release engineering sample since it is not supposed to be released until Sep 25. But the R6E will not be worse than the Apex for that kind of non-extreme OC. And while running HandBrake transcoding and the 3DMark benchmark, his temps reach the low 80s on an un-delidded CPU. I am not so sure about 4.5 GHz on all cores running Prime95. But for workstation and gaming use, it's ok. And if that Korean guy did 4.5 on an engineering sample, I would assume that the final CPU could also at least match that.
    I'm hoping 4.6 - 4.8 on my 7820x.... I have full water cooling and i give two craps about prime 95. FOr what I used it for ... it passes realbench i'm good as my editing isn't that stressfull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brighttail View Post
    I'm hoping 4.6 - 4.8 on my 7820x.... I have full water cooling and i give two craps about prime 95. FOr what I used it for ... it passes realbench i'm good as my editing isn't that stressfull.
    A large part of der8auer's "X299 VRM Disaster" YouTube video brouhaha was because he kept throwing Prime95 at the CPU. That is part of his job at caseking.de and pushing CPUs to their limits is his passion. But us normal folks don't buy CPUs just to run Prime95, or any synthetic benchmark, all day.

    If you live in the Canadian Great White North where it snows in winter, just do what I do every winter when the fluffy white stuff starts to fall... OC to 4.5/4.6 during the summer, and have your winter OC profile set to 4.8, adjust your heater vents so your computer room cools down to be very chilly, wear some flannel or fleece, and enjoy the extra speed boost with your favorite warm beverage.

    Speaking of the 7820X, I still think the 7820X offers the best performance-to-price ratio of all Skylake-X CPUs, and if you do not need 14 or 18 cores, it hits the sweet spot for value at its $599 MSRP. And until Sep 6, Newegg is offering a $40-off EMCRJDB22 promo code sale that takes a whopping $50 off the MSRP, so you pay $549.99 for the 7820X, or 20% less cores than the 7900X at 55% of its $1000 price, and single-core performance that is faster than i9 CPUs:

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16819117794
    Last edited by DragonPurr; 09-02-2017 at 05:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonPurr View Post
    A large part of der8auer's "X299 VRM Disaster" YouTube video brouhaha was because he kept throwing Prime95 at the CPU. That is part of his job at caseking.de and pushing CPUs to their limits is his passion. But us normal folks don't buy CPUs just to run Prime95, or any synthetic benchmark, all day.

    If you live in the Canadian Great White North where it snows in winter, just do what I do every winter when the fluffy white stuff starts to fall... OC to 4.5/4.6 during the summer, and have your winter OC profile set to 4.8, adjust your heater vents so your computer room cools down to be very chilly, wear some flannel or fleece, and enjoy the extra speed boost with your favorite warm beverage.

    Speaking of the 7820X, I still think the 7820X offers the best performance-to-price ratio of all Skylake-X CPUs, and if you do not need 14 or 18 cores, it hits the sweet spot for value at its $599 MSRP. And until Sep 6, Newegg is offering a $40-off EMCRJDB22 promo code sale that takes a whopping $50 off the MSRP, so you pay $549.99 for the 7820X, or 20% less cores than the 7900X at 55% of its $1000 price, and single-core performance that is faster than i9 CPUs:

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16819117794
    For me it's not the cores but the lanes. 28 down from 44 on the 7820X. I may not need them now but I may in the next 2 years and I don' t blame Intel for charging more for more lanes. They are there to make money for the shareholders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithkid View Post
    For me it's not the cores but the lanes. 28 down from 44 on the 7820X. I may not need them now but I may in the next 2 years and I don' t blame Intel for charging more for more lanes. They are there to make money for the shareholders.
    Yep, I totally agree with you on 44 lanes providing a far better future-proofing. I just mentioned the current $549.99 Newegg price for the 7820X because it is a really sweet deal. Usually you do not see an Intel CPU discounted by 8% until at least one year later. In fact, the i7-7700K is STILL priced around $330 on most sites right now. So I was surprised to see Newegg's $50-off sale on the 7820X just two months after it was released. I imagine that some people are already straining their budgets in order to buy the $650 R6E that they want. So with the 7820X, they can still build a very fast gaming rig for under $2000 or $2500, especially if they can also use the 8 cores for other non-gaming tasks.
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