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    Quote Originally Posted by Korth View Post
    I suppose one could always install a few TES1-12703 coolers under those gaudy VRM heatsinks?

    Alas, Intel PCH parts (GL82X299, GL82Z270, etc) are always manufactured on yucky cheap generic green-substrate BGA carrier PCBs. No wonder everybody hides them underneath big chunks of metal and plastic, they look awful and hideous when soldered onto the middle of all-black-all-awesome mainboards. (Good to know that the heart of your mobo is an Intel PCB made to categorically standard specs, no extra fault tolerances, no extra copper weight, no extra temp rating, no extra redundancy no decoupling no nothing, lol.)
    Absolutely no offense meant, but DESIGN is the problem here. It has taken predominance over the vital function of a heatsink: COOLING! And how do you want to do that properly if your design tells you not to have fins where you NEED them? On top of the VRM heatsink...

    Want to know what I want? I want a standard heatsink with large fins, made of aluminium or even copper. Screw the design if people have to sacrifice overclock or longetivity of hardware.

    And... <headscratch>...if you dislike green chips...<irony ahead>I wonder if we will be seeing intel being bashed 5 years down the road because they didn't jump the bandwagon of the latest PCH colors</irony>. Why would it matter anyway, cooling the PCH is mandatory.

    Is it just me or does it really look like those who buy motherboards for their design then come running and complain about temperatures? Well, you have to pay for it one way or another

    My word to ASUS: Please give us a good VRM heatsink upgrade kit, maybe copper or with a copper base plate. Forget the design, make it COOL again.

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    Asus: Make vrm cooling great again.

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    Some recent ASUS commentary (emphasis mine):
    Quote Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post
    Yes, but the air around the sink needs to be cool, so relying solely on convection tends to limit dissipation within a chassis unless there is.....airflow. Of course, much of it depends on the heat output of the component being cooled, too.

    Have used a lot of heatsinks in my time, including on high-biased class A amps. Environmental factors make a huge difference, and sometimes one just needs adequate airflow to get a substantial drop in temps. Of course, fin designs are better in that regard, but, have to be honest, the chances of us going over to 'industrial' style sinks is...marginal But hey, that's what DIY is for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post
    The main thing for us is striking the right balance between dissipation and aesthetics. Ergo, going hyper-industrial isn't on the agenda...
    I'm guessing that "striking the right balance between dissipation and aesthetics" really means something like "good looks sells more motherboards".
    "But hey, that's what DIY is for", lol.

    And as Raja stated: convection is not enough to cool these heatsinks over the hot parts, forced airflow is needed. der8auer ran his X299 tests open-air, maybe the heatsinks would've performed much better in a closed forced-airflow chassis ... although reliance on off-board cooling is an edgy engineering choice, it seems ASUS has really pushed the limits of good taste too far, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amurtigress View Post
    And... <headscratch>...if you dislike green chips...<irony ahead>I wonder if we will be seeing intel being bashed 5 years down the road because they didn't jump the bandwagon of the latest PCH colors</irony>. Why would it matter anyway, cooling the PCH is mandatory.

    Is it just me or does it really look like those who buy motherboards for their design then come running and complain about temperatures? Well, you have to pay for it one way or another

    My word to ASUS: Please give us a good VRM heatsink upgrade kit, maybe copper or with a copper base plate. Forget the design, make it COOL again.
    My comment on yucky green PCH was somewhat sarcastic. It is what it is, and Intel apparently can't spend 2 cents more for black PCBs when they charge only $74 per piece. A nice large wafer only rated at 6W anyhow (operationally stable up to 70C, Catastrophic S5 threshold above ~110C). Hardly seems like the sort of thing which needs a heatsink at all. So yeah, it is what it is and Intel builds what Intel builds, straight specs with minimum variance, mass production and mass deployment - but Intel doesn't use heavy-copper PCBs or thicker conductors or smaller process or beefier oscillators or any of the other "overkill" qualities that any decent mobo maker implements to achieve faster/better (overclocked) performances. The most vital chip on the entire motherboard is a generic Made-In-Cheap-Place lowest-common-denominator industry standard, it doesn't meet the high standards seen in ROG (or any other premium overclocking/gaming motherboard brand), lol.

    And I've often wondered if companies like ASUS test and bin these Intel parts across their mobos - do they put the "worst" GL82X299 PCHs onto PRIME X299-A and "better" ones on STRIX X299-E and the very "best" onto X299 RAMPAGE VI EXTREME? - or do they just unroll them straight off the tape onto whatever mobo model happens to flow through the assembly line each shift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korth View Post

    And I've often wondered if companies like ASUS test and bin these Intel parts across their mobos - do they put the "worst" GL82X299 PCHs onto PRIME X299-A and "better" ones on STRIX X299-E and the very "best" onto X299 RAMPAGE VI EXTREME? - or do they just unroll them straight off the tape onto whatever mobo model happens to flow through the assembly line each shift?

    No pre-binning of chipsets. What changes between the low-end and high-end is how much attention we pay to PCB signal integrity and the measures we take to mitigate sources of noise.

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    Just watched a video of ocguru working with Roman here and came to the conclusion that unless you are using Prime and pulling 400watts through the VRM on its own, then the VRMs shouldn't be an issue for throttling. He benchtested using the Asus Strix and the x299-a and ran 10 separate benchmarks and couldn't get the VRM to throttle until he used Prime.

    His conclusion was in normal every day usage even when overclocked, the VRM shoudln't throttle, period. No need for an extra fan or anything.
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    Just did some checking and yeah EK is making monoblocks for the APEX 6 and Rampage 6. The downside is in order to install it over the mosfets, you will have to remove the current heatsink and on both those boards that heatsink is attached to the I/O shield, thus meaning you have to take off both the heatsink and the I/O shield. This is going to be pretty ugly with that nice RGB on the shields.

    Worse still I don't know for the Rampage Extreme that has the LED screen if the shield just lifts off the top or if it is integrated into the I/O shield, so there may be issues. Alternatively if you never plan to sell or use the heatsinks again, you can cut the heatpipe and just remove the mostfet heatsink. Decisions!

    I have seen video as stated that unless you are using Prime 95 the VRM issue really shouldn't creep up. I can't wait to see some people testing every day overclocks on these boards as I may just get an EK supremacy.
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    [QUOTE=Brighttail;668455]Just did some checking and yeah EK is making monoblocks for the APEX 6 and Rampage 6. The downside is in order to install it over the mosfets, you will have to remove the current heatsink and on both those boards that heatsink is attached to the I/O shield, thus meaning you have to take off both the heatsink and the I/O shield. This is going to be pretty ugly with that nice RGB on the shields.
    QUOTE]


    EK needs to rethink the R6E monoblock. Just split them up, CPU alone and VRM alone. I'm not screwing up my indium reflective IO shield for a EK WB. I'd sooner bolt cut the vrm heatsink off than lose the asthetics.

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    I asked EK and they only provided Monoblock for X299 (no waterblock for VRM alone)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tistou77 View Post
    I asked EK and they only provided Monoblock for X299 (no waterblock for VRM alone)
    Sad! Well I guess there are other companies making CPU blocks for Rampage VI Extreme.

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