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    Quote Originally Posted by celab View Post
    dont downclock in windows, it will cause core parking, this is why the latest ryzen chipset driver 17.30 hav a min cpu limit of 90&. otherwise you will have (see) a performance hit. 0811 wokrs fine for my F4-3200C14D-16GFX, so long i dont change the g-state option to enabled or use ryzen master. than it will crash again.
    Excuse me but what is G-State? And what do you mean by downclocking in Windows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equinox187 View Post
    I had a look into it and from what I can dig up they disabled it as a protective measure as there has been an increasing number of people soft bricking their motherboards by over clocking through the settings found in AMD CBS, where the problem comes from and why i think they disabled it is in a conventional over clock if it fails you can clear the CMOS and recover however if an over clock is set in the AMD CBS and fails you can't clear this bad over clock setting at all not even if you remove the battery and it effectively bricks the motherboard.
    that does indeed sound bad.

    but i guess that is just an issue with the BIOS on this board?
    i mean they could sure make it so that p-states are reseted too when the CMOS is cleared?

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    Stop chemin

    i think asus pulled p-state seettings out of the bios because of people like this

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1634764/b...350-f-strix/10

    if you were changeing some settings to lower spec, the board will not start and there is no way to recover it again.

    the g-state otion in the bios is there for allowing the cpu to use special power states, the p-states, for example if you do overclocking and still want to safe power you can turn it to enabled to still make use of the different power savings while having no workflow on the cpu, without core parking.

    if you go into the windows power option, after you have installed amd chipset ryzen driver 17.30 you will see a profile called ryzen balanced. if you look closer into it you will find the min cpu state sitting on 90%. this should be this value to prevent core parking. also the setting 0% in max means that the cpu internal setup is used to rise it how it thinks it should. changeing these values is not a good idea, you might have performance issues.
    turning of g-states in the bios could help overclocking your mem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celab View Post
    i think asus pulled p-state seettings out of the bios because of people like this

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1634764/b...350-f-strix/10

    wow... what a d-bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celab View Post
    i think asus pulled p-state seettings out of the bios because of people like this

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1634764/b...350-f-strix/10

    if you were changeing some settings to lower spec, the board will not start and there is no way to recover it again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gothmoth View Post
    wow... what a d-bag.
    @Gothmoth - I don't understand your response.

    It's a user-modded BIOS. It claims to specifically "unlock" user BIOS options which ASUS *deliberately* chose to keep disabled/excluded/hidden (probably for very good technical reasons, lol).

    I think the modder was irresponsible in the context of failing to explicitly report that this circumvents ASUS safety margins and exceeds ASUS design parameters, and that it allows user misconfigurations which can brick the mobo, and that anything it wrecks quite blatantly voids ASUS warranty. These details should be made completely obvious to all would-be users, proper warnings would turn away (most) casual users and thus (mostly) limit use of this mod only to more experienced, knowledgeable, and "qualified" users. One might reasonably assume that only the most "extreme" and avid overclockers would ever find this BIOS or find it appealing, but it's not really a safe assumption.
    But, other than that, the modder's efforts and intentions hardly qualify him as a "d-bag".

    This mobo provides ASUS Crashfree BIOS 3 for BIOS recovery. So I think this modded BIOS wouldn't brick the mobo permanently, only semi-permanently. There's also the option of physically replacing the BIOS chip, and if these cannot be obtained from ASUS (or another vendor) then (downloaded) BIOS images can be written to (cheap) blank chips with (cheap) programming hardware.
    Again, I think it's the modder's responsibility to provide detailed links and instructions about how to recover such a bricked mobo. Or to openly report (warn about) the risk of irrecoverably damaging the mobo. The author is irresponsible, but isn't a "d-bag" for neglecting these details.

    I would not use such a modded BIOS. Closed-source stuff always carries risks - not just potential bugs/flaws but also the risk of introducing contaminants/malware/spyware/rootkits which, at the firmware level, could have full control over all hardware/software in the platform, lol. And depending on documentation or updates or support from a random online user is even more of a gamble than depending on ASUS, lol. But that's just my personal choice (and paranoia), other users can make this choice for themselves. And again, it hardly makes the author a "d-bag".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korth View Post
    @Gothmoth - I don't understand your response.

    It's a user-modded BIOS. It claims to specifically "unlock" user BIOS options which ASUS *deliberately* chose to keep disabled/excluded/hidden (probably for very good technical reasons, lol).

    I think the modder was irresponsible in the context of failing to explicitly report that this circumvents ASUS safety margins and exceeds ASUS design parameters, and that it allows user misconfigurations which can brick the mobo, and that anything it wrecks quite blatantly voids ASUS warranty. These details should be made completely obvious to all would-be users, proper warnings would turn away (most) casual users and thus (mostly) limit use of this mod only to more experienced, knowledgeable, and "qualified" users. One might reasonably assume that only the most "extreme" and avid overclockers would ever find this BIOS or find it appealing, but it's not really a safe assumption.
    But, other than that, the modder's efforts and intentions hardly qualify him as a "d-bag".

    This mobo provides ASUS Crashfree BIOS 3 for BIOS recovery. So I think this modded BIOS wouldn't brick the mobo permanently, only semi-permanently. There's also the option of physically replacing the BIOS chip, and if these cannot be obtained from ASUS (or another vendor) then (downloaded) BIOS images can be written to (cheap) blank chips with (cheap) programming hardware.
    Again, I think it's the modder's responsibility to provide detailed links and instructions about how to recover such a bricked mobo. Or to openly report (warn about) the risk of irrecoverably damaging the mobo.

    I would not use such a modded BIOS. Closed-source stuff always carries risks - not just possible bugs/flaws but also firmware-level malware/rootkits which could have full control over all hardware/software, lol. But that's just my personal choice, other users can make this choice for themselves. And again, it hardly makes the author a "d-bag".
    purposely bricking a mainboard so you can RMA it and you don´t understand it... sorry but i guess then i am unable to explain it to you....

    that´s like "oh that audi has a brake issue when i do THAT.... lets do THAT and drive it into the wall".

    i guess you did not read the whole thread....

    Yup. Seen guys reporting better memory speeds with the same memory on x370 boards.
    I know that that is a dick move from me to Asus, but I've already RMA'd my last Vengeance LPX 3200C16 Hynix kit (i did not break it) and got some B-die ram so I'm really greedy to get 3466Mhz
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    Now I've read the full thread, I'd only skimmed it earlier.

    You're right, this guy already wants to RMA his (ASUS, GALAX, Corsair, etc) hardware - again and again - and he admits to deliberately burning his hardware to failure so it "qualifies" for RMAs. So you're right, he's a real d-bag, lol. @ASUS hopefully takes note of this thread, don't need d-bags driving up costs for everyone else.

    It only seems like another reason to avoid relying on any firmware mods he's written, lol. A guy willing to deliberately damage his own hardwares so he can exploit vendors for "free" replacements doesn't seem ethically compelled to preserve the integrity other people's hardwares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celab View Post
    i think asus pulled p-state seettings out of the bios because of people like this

    he g-state otion in the bios is there for allowing the cpu to use special power states, the p-states, for example if you do overclocking and still want to safe power you can turn it to enabled to still make use of the different power savings while having no workflow on the cpu, without core parking.
    i only know c-states.

    is that a typo or if not... where do i find g-states?

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    Bios 0811

    So far with the issues reported here, my question is "is it safe to update the bios version 8011 or should i just stick with 0809"? Can you let me know your thoughts?

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    Bios 8011 working perfect but ram not reaching 3200

    Ok I have again switched to 0811 bios and it seems a good update. here is my observations,

    1. CPU overclocking has been improved. Now I can achieve same overclock for some multipliers at lower voltage. e.g. I have reached 39x with 1.375 + 0.0250. In 0809 my stable overclock for 39x was with higher offset than 0.0250. This mobo even not booting previously at 39x with +0.0250 offset. Don't know why. Other settings are same.

    2. I have settled it at last to 38.5 at 1.350 volt that is 1.3750 - 0.0250 (under volting). Yes you guys are right and it seems I don't need a pstate overclock right now with this bios. in 0809 bios I have seen that the cpu is idling at higher temp when clocks are fixed compared to p-state overclock. As per I remember for 39x I have seen normal overclock idle temp of 38-40C where as during p-state oc it is 33-38C. But now with 0811 bios there is no difference between my older p-state temp and fixed clock oc with this new bios. However EPU power saving is enabled and Global c state. Please keep in mid my avg room temp is somewhere between 28-30C.

    Still unable to set my 4x8GB flareX kit to 3200. Stuck at 3066.

    Guys WHAT IS G-STATE? Pls throw some light where is this option and what it is doing to achieve 3200 RAM speed??
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