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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackROG View Post
    xeromist, ahh yes, good point, the drop of DX from Win7.

    Neobeum your partition layout changed after an update?

    Thanks Neobeum for sharing.
    No, they changed the disk enumeration... which meant it wasn't going to my primary drive first - which ended up causing BSODs in the end




    Quote Originally Posted by xeromist View Post
    Pretty much. I think MS's original intention was to have a special sku for education machines that had restricted installs but some people assume it will be used to lock down Windows everywhere. MS has never said this it will do this and it really seems like a bad idea.
    They gave me money when I threw FBombs at Seattle and said it was trolly of them to move GPEdit from Pro to Enterprise SKU, then release a version called Pro-Education with GPEdit, when originally only Home, Pro, Enterprise and Education existed and advertised as Professional having Group Policy Administration.
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    That's crazy with the disk enumeration, this will happen for anyone?

    The SKU thing, can't say I understand, I haven't been following Windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthewmike View Post
    Overall Windows 10 is good program. I am using this over 2 years. But the problem is I am facing is virus attack. But when I used Windows 7 then I don't need to use Anti Virus for it. But in Windows 10 an Anti Virus is needed.
    Well you were very lucky not getting any virus/malware in Win7, because all versions of Windows have been susceptible to viruses, malware, etc...

    Windows 7 is just as susceptible to problems...

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    Win7 is a "finished" OS version. Certainly not 100% secure but it's been scrutinized and analyzed for over a decade, it's been hacked and un-hacked, it's been secured and un-secured. The eternal arms race tends to favour Microsoft here simply because those who make malware and spyware tend to do it with the goal of making money, and the ever-diminishing Win7 segment of the market is simply not where the money is found anymore; hackers barely have time to keep up with the times, they don't really waste time with retired operating systems.

    vs

    Win10 is an ever-evolving never-finished "ongoing service". Certainly not 100% secure and it's the "front line" of the arms race. One day it's bulletproof, the next day it's hacked wide open and exploited, the following day it's patched up, and so forth. But the reality is that savvy users minimize their vulnerability surface and aren't often victimized by hacking, malware, and spyware - and even when they are, the damage is controlled and full recover is only minutes away - their options are more limited with old Win7, however.

    Microsoft's (and Google's, and everybody else's) spyware - euphemistically referred to as "telemetrics" or "beacons" or whatever - can be circumvented. Complaining about the effort of having to learn all the tricks and tweaks and quirks "all over again" for each new OS version is a pretty weak argument - to properly secure yourself and your data and your privacy you'd have to learn everything all over again all the time regardless of how old or new your OS is, no solution is ever guaranteed to work indefinitely (if at all), anything you can download and install is just as readily available to all the evil and invasive (and greedy) hackers/attackers/organizations who'd like to exploit your OS.

    The "evolving service" OS model vs the "finished" OS model might be a new concept for Windows users but it's old news in linux land. Arguably the most profound difference between linux distros and forks is the OS version control and package management policies. Some distros always eagerly embrace the latest-and-greatest new OS components, others require a lengthy "test and debug" cycle which only replaces proven components with proven components, most have different philosophies about how users can install new software and how users/system can update existing software. The only thing you'll see in linux that's conspicuously lacking in Windows is differences in license philosophy - some distros are pure open source, some are partial open source, some are proprietary, different distros have different objectives about how much "ownership" is allowed to the user in this regard - but Windows is owned by Microsoft, Windows users must agree to Microsoft's licensing terms, and that's that.

    I use Win10 for work when necessary, after all we have to support Win10 because that's what many of our clients run. I use Win7 for gaming, it's more lightweight and less bloaty than Win10 and supports all the same (gaming) stuff except for DX12, and DX12 isn't (yet) implemented well enough in the games I play to make any real difference in performance/fps. I use a variety of linux for everything else, it's where most of my tools run, it can run a full WinOS in a VM or emulate most of a WinOS in WINE, but there's no WinOS counterpart which can hypervise one or more linux boots in a box without massive costs in stability, peformance, and resource overhead (cygwin just doesn't cut it, lol).
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    Here's my other Win10 problem, I want the latest Intel kaby lake, but I want to game really on Win7, which needs 6th Gen...

    But, not sure missing out on kaby is really a big deal... Hmm

    Thanks for the insight Korth.

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    Ive fully supported M$ operating systems since my first install of DOS followed by Win 3.1

    Are there bugs from time to time? Yes, most of the time because vendors are not on the same page as drivers.
    Im running the insider slow track and have been for some time just to participate and help find problems and provide the feedback to the developers to fix. Right now on build 16278 RS3. At this point they are not adding any features but only bug fixes until the release goes public soon. Ive been a beta tester since win XP was actually in its alpha stages. Its interesting to watch the OS develop prior to public release. I used to run dual boot but now just run the slow track and have found little to no issues. My biggest pet peeve with the creators edition update where WMI was hogging clocks, like idle was 15-20% CPU usage is no longer. I did have a fix for that which never made sense but worked, simply restarting the service after every reboot.

    Out side of that Im OK with it. Ive run open source in the past which is OK for specific tasks like a mail server or multimedia server or set top box etc. For every day use though Ive never run any distros that were compiled that came remotely close to M$ operating system.

    My honest take on the whiners? Pony up and develop a better OS and take Bill Gates' money from him! Were all waiting........

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    Ive fully supported M$ operating systems since my first install of DOS followed by Win 3.1
    .......
    I have the same history. I've only been infected twice in all that time with any seriousness that I recall. One was an adware infection caught from IE that really got in deep. The other was similar, caught from IE also, when my wife was surfing and downloading I don't recall what. No permanent damage from either one of them, just annoyances. As indicated above, one should have common practices in their computer use already in place that protect you or back you up, and that's most of the battle no matter what tool you use. I have never had any major loss of data or needed a reinstallation as a result of safety issues, using Windows.
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    If it wasn't for gaming, I'd run Linux (Ubuntu) full time, in fact I did for years. I ran a VM (windows XP) to handle most windows related things, (like dumping music to my iPod) but I had a second drive for for booting into windows if I felt like gaming.

    I transitioned to Windows 10 early on in its release and frankly have not looked back. When I built my latest machine I didn't even make it dual boot, it is a pure Windows 10 machine. This is not something I've had in probably 10 or more years. I turn off most of the annoying Cortana stuff and as much big-brother stuff that I can find/care about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    Ive fully supported M$ operating systems since my first install of DOS followed by Win 3.1

    Are there bugs from time to time? Yes, most of the time because vendors are not on the same page as drivers.
    Im running the insider slow track and have been for some time just to participate and help find problems and provide the feedback to the developers to fix. Right now on build 16278 RS3. At this point they are not adding any features but only bug fixes until the release goes public soon. Ive been a beta tester since win XP was actually in its alpha stages. Its interesting to watch the OS develop prior to public release. I used to run dual boot but now just run the slow track and have found little to no issues. My biggest pet peeve with the creators edition update where WMI was hogging clocks, like idle was 15-20% CPU usage is no longer. I did have a fix for that which never made sense but worked, simply restarting the service after every reboot.

    Out side of that Im OK with it. Ive run open source in the past which is OK for specific tasks like a mail server or multimedia server or set top box etc. For every day use though Ive never run any distros that were compiled that came remotely close to M$ operating system.

    My honest take on the whiners? Pony up and develop a better OS and take Bill Gates' money from him! Were all waiting........

    It's not that there aren't just as good of systems or better, it's that MS has had the biggest support since it's inception, and developers see no reason to switch to support another system.

    The Open-Sourced world is certainly not dead and Android has made that point pretty clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackROG View Post
    The Open-Sourced world is certainly not dead and Android has made that point pretty clear.
    Android is not really open-source, lol. They say it is, they wanted it to be, they started it off strong and glorious. But in the end Android got filled with binary blobs and locked code blocks and dependency on "black box" functions based around proprietary hardware, proprietary firmware, proprietary encryption, and proprietary licenses. Open source Android ports like Cyanogenmod come and go, they don't tend to last long, they aren't able to be fully functional (and thus aren't able to become very popular) on many devices. Somewhere along the way "Android" became a bloated proprietary monstrosity just like any other OS and - although people haven't yet realized it - it's evolved (and evolving) into more of a marketing "brand" than a technologically "free" system.

    But I agree that open source is certainly not dead. It's even thriving. But it's not able to "intrude" into the domain of (lucrative) devices like smartphones and tablets. I hope for a future where DIY/kickstarter projects will be able to deliver more true opensource devices to consumers, but it's hard to gain traction against the regulatory controls imposed by entrenched giants who dominate some types of platforms.
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