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    lol @lightknightrr -
    elmor is part of the ROG team, ROG engineer, ROG overclocker, with access to a lot of "undocumented" info specific to ROG mobos.

    I'm sure he'd tell us if this was "untested".

    It is, btw, a very standard 9+1 pinout for many part programmers.
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    9+1 header for EEPROM programmer: also for retrofit SOIC8 to replaceable DIP8/SOIC8?

    I am thinking about building a system with the C6H/Ryzen so am interested in this thread. Some things occurred to me. That 9+1 header with 2.00mm pitch spacing, which you can hook up an EEPROM programmer and flash from a BIOS bin file: there is a connector available from MODDIY that can probably be modified by adding the #9 pin sleeve, and cutting off the USB type A connectors and connecting the wires to your EEPROM ZIF socket.

    https://www.moddiy.com/products/10%2...2830cm%29.html

    https://www.moddiy.com/products/Gold...Female%29.html

    https://www.moddiy.com/products/Dupo...8Black%29.html

    and the following DIP8 board can be wired up and plugged into the ZIF socket of your chip programmer:

    http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/stor...idProduct=4366

    No only that, it may be possible to use that 9+1 header to facilitate a permanent SOIC8-to-DIP8 conversion. IF there is a DIP8 chip that is electronically equivalent to the SOIC8 chip soldered to the motherboard, if there comes a time when the SOIC8 gets irretrievably corrupted and needs to be de-soldered or clipped out, that 9+1 header may be used to plug in a DIP8 socket with the DIP8 chip installed. Someone with this board: what is the BIOS chip manufacturer and chip number?

    If this BIOS chip is only available in the SOIC8 package, then the following SOIC8 socket can be adapted to plug into the motherboard header, facilitating easy chip replacement:

    [http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/stor...idProduct=4415

    Of course you would try this after the warranty expires or to avoid an RMA if you are in a hurry (possibly voiding the warranty). I am not sure it would work but it seems reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmor View Post
    Pin#1 - NC
    Pin#2 - WP#
    Pin#3 - VCC
    Pin#4 - GND
    Pin#5 - CS#
    Pin#6 - CLK
    Pin#7 - MISO
    Pin#8 - MOSI
    Pin#9 - HOLD#

    Pin pitch 2.00mm. Note that VCC is 1.8V on AM4. Make sure standby power is off before applying external VCC. I strongly recommend using USB BIOS Flashback over external tools if available.
    Hello Elmor,
    What is the chip part number and how does your pin#1-9 map to the image of the motherboard header Click image for larger version. 

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    Thank you!
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    SPI Flash is typically W25Q128FV on C6H but might vary depending on supply, should be easily identifiable by just reading the markings on it.

    Pin numbering goes left to right, top to bottom. Note the picture you posted R5Eandme is mirrored.

    1 2
    3 4
    5 6
    7 8
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    Thank you elmor, this is great information. Yes, the picture I posted would be looking into the connector socket rather than the mobo header.
    The W25Q128FV comes in both SOIC8 and DIP8 packages. When you said "Note that VCC is 1.8V on AM4." you must be talking about doing the SPI read or flash in-circuit, and the 1.8V limit is to avoid damaging other components on the motherboard? The data sheet specifies a supply voltage (VCC) range of -0.6 to 4.6 V, and for my R5E, I programmed the W25Q128FV at 3.0V using the GQ 4x4 Universal Programmer. However, I had the chip out-of-circuit.Thank you again very much for sharing this useful technical information with us
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    Quote Originally Posted by R5Eandme View Post
    Thank you elmor, this is great information. Yes, the picture I posted would be looking into the connector socket rather than the mobo header.
    The W25Q128FV comes in both SOIC8 and DIP8 packages. When you said "Note that VCC is 1.8V on AM4." you must be talking about doing the SPI read or flash in-circuit, and the 1.8V limit is to avoid damaging other components on the motherboard? The data sheet specifies a supply voltage (VCC) range of -0.6 to 4.6 V, and for my R5E, I programmed the W25Q128FV at 3.0V using the GQ 4x4 Universal Programmer. However, I had the chip out-of-circuit.Thank you again very much for sharing this useful technical information with us
    It's level-shifted to 3.3V SPI on C6H, my bad. 3.3V programming should be ok, just make sure to measure VCC before applying it on boards that don't do this. As you say it can damage both the SPI flash and other components on-board, even the CPU if it's in the socket since the SPI flash is read directly by the SOC.

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    My Crosshair VI Extreme has arrived and I noticed that instead of the Winbond W25Q128FVIG SPI BIOS chip, it uses a 25LB128CSIG (SOIC8 package). I cannot find the datasheet for this part, but a couple of 3rd party vendors of pre-programmed BIOS chips (eBay) say that multiple suppliers are sourced for BIOS chips by ASUS, and that the 25LB128CSIG is compatible with 25Q128 series such as W25Q128FVSG which they provide to owners of Crosshair VI Extreme, and I assume Hero as well.
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    SOIC8 instead of DIP8? Is it soldered to mainboard or is it removable? (Soldered to a socketed breakout or a carrier board, etc?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korth View Post
    SOIC8 instead of DIP8? Is it soldered to mainboard or is it removable? (Soldered to a socketed breakout or a carrier board, etc?)
    Hi Korth,
    See the original post, there is a photo of the mobo with the 9-pin header. Right next to the 9 pin header is the SOIC8 BIOS chip soldered to the board.

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    I see this also on the C6E, Zenith Extreme and other ASUS motherboards. It might be their new standard for some boards, replacing the DIP8 sockets. On my 10/26/2017 post in this thread I listed some links to images and the MODDIY supplier for that 2.00mm pitch connector and cable that can be modified for flashing the BIOS chip. See previous posts in this thread for wiring pin-outs ( at your own risk, anyone doing this)

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    If the factory-soldered chip ever gets corrupted, I believe you can unsolder it or clip the leads, and use the 9-pin header to wire in a socket of your choice: DIP8 or SOIC8. You can get SOIC8 drop-in sockets if you prefer

    http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/stor...idProduct=4415

    This SOIC8 socket adapter has a spring-loaded frame that holds the SOIC8 chip against the pads in the adapter, so swapping out chips is easy. You can wire this SOIC8 adapter to the 9-pin flashing cable. You can also wire a standard DIP8 socket to the flashing cable.
    The Winbond 25Q128FV BIOS chips come in both DIP8 and SOIC8 packages, so you have a choice if you are replacing the BIOS chip.
    Miniatura de Adjuntos Miniatura de Adjuntos SOIC8W_250.jpg  

    Last edited by R5Eandme; 02-06-2018 at 07:29 PM.

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    Well, on the plus side, a surface-mounted SOIC isn't going to have thru-hole leads which can connect to anything in other/hidden layers, lol. So soldering a socket or breakout in place is no big deal. (Btw, you can get SOIC8 carriers with black PCBs which would look much better on black gaming mobos, lol.)

    I prefer (re)programming chips out of circuit whenever possible. And I prefer swappable socketed packages for these whenever possible. But, to be honest, I tend to swap BIOS very infrequently unless the project is all about tinkering with the board itself - and I haven't seen any of these BIOS chips fail (yet) in "normal" use, so I expect needing to replace "non-replaceable" parts isn't a real issue.
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