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    Quote Originally Posted by Brighttail View Post
    I cheated and took out my samsung drives when I was benchmarking them in the new Rampage 6 Extreme. No issues upgrading LOL. I'll see hot it goes for a full, fresh install instead of an update on a Samsung pro 960.
    There doesn't seem to be an issue with a clean install. Some have even reported using an install USB and doing a repair install/leave file and folders.

    Im too far into it with a full day getting software and drivers installed, dont feel like doing it all again if I dont have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithkid View Post
    I have updated. R6E with 960pro boot drive on the DIMM.2

    Took close to an hour but no problems.
    Two Polaris drives here on DIMM.2. No issues here, either.

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    ROG Guru: Gold Belt Array Menthol PC Specs
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    I had the update fail on my IX Apex, updating from a USB worked fine here

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    I tried installing it twice and both times it caused my computer to not restart or shut down without using the physical buttons. Tried all kinds of settings including power options, selective start-up, clean boot, etc. and it was a no go. I did not try a clean install but I didn't want to deal with it now. So this update is postponed on my computer for now. Hopefully they will address issues and perhaps when I feel like doing a clean install I will try it.= again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpoffo View Post
    I tried installing it twice and both times it caused my computer to not restart or shut down without using the physical buttons. Tried all kinds of settings including power options, selective start-up, clean boot, etc. and it was a no go. I did not try a clean install but I didn't want to deal with it now. So this update is postponed on my computer for now. Hopefully they will address issues and perhaps when I feel like doing a clean install I will try it.= again.
    Clearly anybody who has a Samsung SSD and SATA drives cannot take this update without a clean install. Hopefully as Microsoft pushes the update out more and more they will get more and more feedback so they issue a fix. The Samsung SSD and SATA drive combo has to be a popular setup. Let’s hope they issue a fix I have no plans to go through the bother of a clean install.

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    here was no solution? also a problem

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    Because I'm still waiting on another reservoir I decided to see if I could install FCU fresh on a 960 pro and SM961. Zero issues with a fresh install. There is a thread on OVerclockers that someone said Lenovo has put out a new firmware for the 961s but I am holding off on that. I don't like using firmware upgrades on SSDs unless I absolutely have to.

    I did test the windows driver vs the new Samsung driver. In the past, there was a noticeable difference between the two drivers when it came to performance. I have to say that Microsoft has gotten better with their NVMe drivers. There is still a slight difference, but not so much that you really have to use the new Samsung driver. I will still use it but it isn't as necessary as it once was.
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  8. #28
    Banned Array JustinThyme PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brighttail View Post
    Because I'm still waiting on another reservoir I decided to see if I could install FCU fresh on a 960 pro and SM961. Zero issues with a fresh install. There is a thread on OVerclockers that someone said Lenovo has put out a new firmware for the 961s but I am holding off on that. I don't like using firmware upgrades on SSDs unless I absolutely have to.

    I did test the windows driver vs the new Samsung driver. In the past, there was a noticeable difference between the two drivers when it came to performance. I have to say that Microsoft has gotten better with their NVMe drivers. There is still a slight difference, but not so much that you really have to use the new Samsung driver. I will still use it but it isn't as necessary as it once was.
    Yes you can do a clean install no problems. Its the update that doesn't want to work. Honestly hind sight always being 20/20 I wish I had just wiped in the first place and did a clean install, would have saved time. 90% of apps and drivers have an issue after the update method. All drivers that are not M$ have had to be wiped and reinstalled. ESET kept giving me repeated notification that would disappear about the time I clicked on it, reinstall. NVidia drivers lost open CL, DDU wipe and reinstall. Aura, locked up and would change back, uninstall wipe and reinstall. Armory, same as Aura. Realtek and Sonic Studio, turned into an echo chamber from which there was no return, uninstall, wipe , reinstall. Shutdown wouldn't shut down. Intel Management Engine Interface, reinstall. 3D marks failed to launch, same as the rest...reinstall. I could ramble on for another 1000 words but will save you all the grief of my verbosity. Do yourselves a favor, just save all your stuff off the drive and do a clean install and start over. This is by far the worst windows update deployment ever.

    Now on to the hoops I jumped through and wasted time to get it on my machine. Long story short, had to clone my installation to an 850 pro, remove all raid drives, unplug all USB devices other than the USB for install, disable AV and launch from the USB from within windows. Then clone it back to the 960 pro and put all the raid devices back after the fact and go through the headache above.

    As for Samsung Vs M$ drivers from 2006 that are still in use....Go to the laptop section G series. I ran this gambit multiple times of Samsung VS M$. In the end, the runs while not identical were very close and depending on the run of the bench one was slightly ahead of the other but always in the margin of error. I ran multiple benches 100 ways from Sunday and they all came out with the same conclusion, no advantage using Samsung drivers. There is a ton of info and screen shots in that section to back it all up. Now move on to raid installs or using Samsung OEM drives. No contest as Samsung drivers will not install on their own hardware because they don't find it necessary to make it see past a raid controller even if the drives are not in raid, this has been going on since Samsung came out with the 840 EVO. Drivers or magician cant see past a raid controller because they find it unnecessary. Open magician and it will see an array but tell you that their own drives are not supported. This is all in the name of making sure you cant use their software on their own OEM drives like the SM951 or SM961. If its not a consumer drive, you get nothing.

    Edit: Just did two quick runs without Samsung, reboot then with Samsung. As you can see each out does the other in different areas. I can redo these and the tides will change in different areas to the other drive. You can do a 100 runs and they advantages from one to the other will change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    Yes you can do a clean install no problems. Its the update that doesn't want to work. Honestly hind sight always being 20/20 I wish I had just wiped in the first place and did a clean install, would have saved time. 90% of apps and drivers have an issue after the update method. All drivers that are not M$ have had to be wiped and reinstalled. ESET kept giving me repeated notification that would disappear about the time I clicked on it, reinstall. NVidia drivers lost open CL, DDU wipe and reinstall. Aura, locked up and would change back, uninstall wipe and reinstall. Armory, same as Aura. Realtek and Sonic Studio, turned into an echo chamber from which there was no return, uninstall, wipe , reinstall. Shutdown wouldn't shut down. Intel Management Engine Interface, reinstall. 3D marks failed to launch, same as the rest...reinstall. I could ramble on for another 1000 words but will save you all the grief of my verbosity. Do yourselves a favor, just save all your stuff off the drive and do a clean install and start over. This is by far the worst windows update deployment ever.

    Now on to the hoops I jumped through and wasted time to get it on my machine. Long story short, had to clone my installation to an 850 pro, remove all raid drives, unplug all USB devices other than the USB for install, disable AV and launch from the USB from within windows. Then clone it back to the 960 pro and put all the raid devices back after the fact and go through the headache above.
    I really think Microsoft has to put out a fix at some point. A layman computer person will never be able to go through all that and upgrade. They have to put out a fix where people can just click and let the PC do its work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R5Eandme View Post
    I did the Fall Creators Update vers 1709 a few days ago with no problems, and with Samsung 960 Pro NVMe and Samsung 850 Pro SSD, both on a R5E. Might be the x299, or maybe other software people have installed causing problems with the update. The FCU 1709 did force me to re-create my backup tasks in Acronis True Image. Something to do with the fact that FCU 1709 creates new GUID identifiers for disk partitions, not just boot/system partitions but simple data partitions too. FCU 1709 also created a new larger Windows Recovery Partition.
    Great, please post those results in the X99 section to keep the confusion down.

    This is specific to X299 chipsets by all manufacturers and NVMe drives. Works fine on SATA SSDs

    The list at M$ is growing...........

    https://social.technet.microsoft.com...in10itprosetup

    Id doubt they do back flips over making it right with this market share is its so small.

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