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    Hello

    It would be best to wait and see how things shake out regarding the availability of the keys. It is still early days for this technology. I would not count on support for non-Intel drives though. Ignoring baseless rumors it has always been reported that only Intel SSDs would be supported by X299 VROC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Praz View Post
    Hello

    It would be best to wait and see how things shake out regarding the availability of the keys. It is still early days for this technology. I would not count on support for non-Intel drives though. Ignoring baseless rumors it has always been reported that only Intel SSDs would be supported by X299 VROC.
    The third party support also available on limit models. However at now there are not available on any Core X system . Even my intel 600P 1TB according to intel technical support they’ve told me there are working for it but no timeline for consumer Core X system to available VROC officials support now.

    According to intel technicians support it may available soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by restsugavan View Post
    I see your point. but Intel statement now was they’ve not support VROC on any Core X system. Only Xeon W that support VROC.
    We should waiting for availability VROC on our Core X, my experience from HEDT platform from X79 told me that they’ll finally
    release VROC for free at last.

    Do you remember ROG Rampage 4 Extreme support all XEON E5 V2 2699 12 Core 24 Thread 30MB L3 at last of it age.?
    I think the situation of VROC on our Core X was following those step. Enjoy yourself and relax with gaming better buddy.han*
    These platforms are not better at gaming, thats already been proven. 4 Cores with higher clock speeds beats them. Most who bought this solution were not only looking at gaming. Most had other things in mind.

    As for it being supported at all on SkylakeX, thats all dependent on whose take from intel you listened to. Too many responses from uninformed people who dont even own the X299 platform is what skews what is really going on. They have recently stated the X299 platform would work and intel spec sheets do show VROC compatible with SM951 and SM961s working as well on their spec sheets for Xeon but there is no spec sheet for skylakeX. You forget the X299 platform with the VROC capability and place to put a key is designed by who? Intel......

    The advantage of VROC over PCH is the removal of the DMI bottleneck. But as of right now 2 5400rpms spinners in PCH raid0 wins because the bandwidth of VROC is ZERO!!

    Still all completely irrelevant that ASUS sold a lot of people boards that by their marketed and published specs will run VROC regardless of what drives it will run. At this point that number of drives is a big fat ZERO!! Its also marketed with the hyper M2 X16 which supports only NVME drives. Now how many 900P drives will have an M2 form factor, NONE. They only thing intel makes that could go in the Hyper M2 X16 card are optanes that Intel says they do not support them for anything but cache.

    No Offense Praz but I didn't pay to wait for what should already be there. We would have no problem buying a Key but there are none available.

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    WHen Asus and Intel were hyping all this VROC, they were talking putting 20 drives on one board and running them in RAID 0!! WHen they were doing this they sure weren't talking about the 900p. That beast that takes an entire PCI-e slot completely negates the purpose of VROC. I mean are you going to run a RAID 10 configuration with 4 of those? Don't think so.

    I honestly don't think Intel knows what they are doing at this point. I think they wanted to make it work with their intel drives for free but then ended up needing to use a dongle, but then couldn't get other third party to work with the dongle, but they apparently work fine with the trial software.

    I mean seriously. without a dongle and with trial software, third party NVMes can be used to create a non-bootable VROC Raid drive. Put the dongle in, boom. dead. This tells me that this whole VROC thing DOESN'T REALLY NEED A DONGLE! It is a software issue. I mean if I can use the trial version of the IRST, I wonder if I can delete the drive every 80 days or so, recreate it and get another 90 days. Or create a simple oS clone disk and reset that every 80 days. I'm pretty sure there is going to be a hack out there or something. I'm going to look into getting some of the older versions of IRST and see if they work without the trial for example.
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    I bought a cheap ~$13 key from Ebay, Intel RAID C600 Upgrade Key RKSATA8 1352 , RKSATA8 1352 ,ORIGINAL-US
    This key was not recognized by the bios it still said VROC Pass thru. I also have one coming from shopblt soon but that one cost ~$100. But I received 4 of my 8 Intel 900ps today and hooked them up to the Hyper m.2 x16 card but no dice creating an VROC RAID array with them. When I hit enter on Create Raid it just went back to the previous screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    Are you also upgrading to X299?
    I'm still holding out with X99 but 8C/16T is starting to show poorly (compared to what's available now) and I honestly don't think my 3 year old hardware is going to continue working indefinitely. I need to upgrade two machines now and two more once the X99s are fully retired.

    Ryzen, Threadripper, and Epyc aren't fully compatible with my Quadros.

    All that's left is X299, which continues to seem problematic, buggy, unreliable, and restrictive. Rushed out with tons and tons of unresolved errata.
    Or Xeon Silver/Gold, which allows scalar processing upgrades but would have to live in nasty rack chassis, lol.

    I was hoping X299 would have matured by now. But the OEMs are struggling to even stock them on shelves, I don't seriously expect they'll be able to provide much real support for a while.

    Intel has deliberately segmented their own market by introducing i9-X alongside Xeon, so I honestly expect this whole VROC issue to be only the first of many Intel-proprietary lockouts. Not even interested in playing Intel's game, I could ignore the VROC (like I ignore the Optane) built into the platform and just get a better solution like a Seagate Nytro XP7200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brighttail View Post
    WHen Asus and Intel were hyping all this VROC, they were talking putting 20 drives on one board and running them in RAID 0!! WHen they were doing this they sure weren't talking about the 900p. That beast that takes an entire PCI-e slot completely negates the purpose of VROC. I mean are you going to run a RAID 10 configuration with 4 of those? Don't think so.

    I honestly don't think Intel knows what they are doing at this point. I think they wanted to make it work with their intel drives for free but then ended up needing to use a dongle, but then couldn't get other third party to work with the dongle, but they apparently work fine with the trial software.

    I mean seriously. without a dongle and with trial software, third party NVMes can be used to create a non-bootable VROC Raid drive. Put the dongle in, boom. dead. This tells me that this whole VROC thing DOESN'T REALLY NEED A DONGLE! It is a software issue. I mean if I can use the trial version of the IRST, I wonder if I can delete the drive every 80 days or so, recreate it and get another 90 days. Or create a simple oS clone disk and reset that every 80 days. I'm pretty sure there is going to be a hack out there or something. I'm going to look into getting some of the older versions of IRST and see if they work without the trial for example.
    Its intel cutting their own throat trying to regulate it and make a few $$ more. If they would just get off the dongle garbage that would alleviate the problems. Cmon now, the standard dongle for others are less than $75. Id just as soon that premium be added on to the board instead of extra hardware making the system require it and do away with the dongle aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    Its intel cutting their own throat trying to regulate it and make a few $$ more. If they would just get off the dongle garbage that would alleviate the problems. Cmon now, the standard dongle for others are less than $75. Id just as soon that premium be added on to the board instead of extra hardware making the system require it and do away with the dongle aspect.
    I still have a little hope. The author of the PCperspective piece thinks that having a verified drive like the sm961 MAY allow the dongle to work. The dongle is designed to be used on the Xeon CPU but if it is just looking for the VMD capability which the x299 has, it may then see the sm961 as verified and boom.

    I'm giving this about 50/50 to work non-bootable and 10% bootable. I'm still building tho, taking it really slow with my back. Nearly killed myself yesterday lugging that thing around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brighttail View Post
    I still have a little hope. The author of the PCperspective piece thinks that having a verified drive like the sm961 MAY allow the dongle to work. The dongle is designed to be used on the Xeon CPU but if it is just looking for the VMD capability which the x299 has, it may then see the sm961 as verified and boom.

    I'm giving this about 50/50 to work non-bootable and 10% bootable. I'm still building tho, taking it really slow with my back. Nearly killed myself yesterday lugging that thing around.
    I feel your pain brother. I did my build in the basement then packed it up two flights of stairs. Just my 900D with nothing in it weighs 60 lbs! Add all hardware its at least 80 lbs, probably more. Had to stop and take a break after the first flight, not to mention its not just heavy, there just is no ergonomic way for one person to carry it. At least some of your is aluminum! Mine is all steel.

    As for the rest we wont know until we can get a dongle!
    I sent another reply to my open ticket and the rep said he sent off a request for an ETA on the ETA of the previous request.........sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    I feel your pain brother. I did my build in the basement then packed it up two flights of stairs. Just my 900D with nothing in it weighs 60 lbs! Add all hardware its at least 80 lbs, probably more. Had to stop and take a break after the first flight, not to mention its not just heavy, there just is no ergonomic way for one person to carry it. At least some of your is aluminum! Mine is all steel.

    As for the rest we wont know until we can get a dongle!
    I sent another reply to my open ticket and the rep said he sent off a request for an ETA on the ETA of the previous request.........sigh
    I sent a ticket a while ago, gotten no response so far.
    Taking the window off along with the back plate which probably weight 20lbs on its own, along with the top and the front, the case becomes surprisingly light. I moved my old Phanteks enthoo primo case that is completely empty and that still weight 40-50 pounds. Gah.

    I have a spot in the living room that I'll be doing my leak testing then my blitz flushing. When done I'll move the frame into the final room, then put back on the top, front, sides before final filling.
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