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    Hi SlackROG,

    I did not think that Win7 was "EFI aware" because it was developed in the days of legacy BIOS with MBR partitioning. This is consistent with the fact that you need to enable CSM to successfully install WIn7. When UEFI BIOS arrived, the class 2 version which ASUS uses will allow legacy BIOS or UEFI BIOS. I am thinking that the "Hybrid MBR" boot method with a GPT disk will allow Windows 7 to think that it is in a legacy BIOS-MBR environment because there is MBR-like code in the first sector of the GPT disk. I am not a REAL expert, but I suspect this is what is going on, and because it is a kind of emulated legacy-MBR boot from a UEFI platform, I am calling it a legacy boot. I don't know what UEFI features are now available in this situation. Maybe it isn't much different from a native UEFI boot and so I should call it a UEFI boot? But I bet certain features are not available, like Secure Boot. Windows 7 doesn't know anything about Secure Boot. Maybe you can gather some information such as posting the partition layout from the DISKPART utility or from Windows disk management console. Also, what does your BIOS boot list show now?

    As far as hacking the Win7 USB install disk so it would not require CSM enabled, I wouldn't have any knowledge or experience of that. I have not used Rufus, but I should learn it. Seems everyone has praise for it.

    An idea: I have no experience with VM or Linux, but I wonder if you can create a USB stick with a UEFI Linux distro on it, and have it run Win7 as a Virtual Machine? I know Win10 supports a portable environment, but I am not sure if Win7 does. BTW, I am curious why you are sticking with Win7? It seems to create some compatibility problems with modern platforms?
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    Win7 x64 is EFI capable, but to what level I don't really know and this so called 'Full EFI" that we keeping throwing around, like with CSM enabled, some aspects are running Legacy and Some EFI, I don't really know...

    Ok here's what I'm not getting, I just read that people have hacked the Win7 ISO, you disable the VGA in it, and slipstream in other video drivers, still not sure which ones, and Win7 will install with CSM disabled and this is all that needs to be done.

    So now I'm saying, VGA is the only thing standing in the way here, and CSM can be disabled to install this, then this is going to be a "Full EFI" install as we're saying...

    This also makes me wonder if I'm not really running a "Full EFI" install if this is all there is to it, and since I disabled the VGA after installing Win7 and I now have CSM disabled...

    With gpt there is a protective mbr structure... hmm

    So I'm dual booting with Linux and it's interesting how Linux is, you can have CSM enabled and install Linux, then later disable it, and it's a pure efi system, it's not like Windows, using legacy still...

    I like Win7, let's face it, we all know it's a lighter system, and this is just a gaming box, and it's still my understanding that Win7 is a better gaming platform...

    Everything at the moment on my Maximus VIII Hero is working great with Win7...

    This is what gdisk reports in Linux for my partitions;


    >gdisk -l /dev/sda
    GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.0

    Partition table scan:
    MBR: protective
    BSD: not present
    APM: not present
    GPT: present

    Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
    Disk /dev/sda: 250069680 sectors, 119.2 GiB
    Logical sector size: 512 bytes
    Disk identifier (GUID): 12AA986B-ECD4-44F0-B031-9F032CD2ABE9
    Partition table holds up to 128 entries
    First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 250069646
    Partitions will be aligned on 2048-sector boundaries
    Total free space is 2669 sectors (1.3 MiB)

    Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
    1 2048 100558847 47.9 GiB 8300
    2 100558848 100763647 100.0 MiB EF00 EFI system partition
    3 100763648 101025791 128.0 MiB 0C01 Microsoft reserved ...
    4 101025792 250068991 71.1 GiB 0700 Basic data partition
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    I also like Win7, I am using it right now to type this. I am in the process of transitioning to a newer system with Win10 and "Native UEFI" boot, and am *trying* to adjust to Win10. There are many privacy settings for you to keep track of.

    "Protective MBR" is the same as the "MBR-like code" that is contained in the first sector of a GPT disk. I remember reading somewhere that they call it "Protective" because it is in a location where it will work like a legacy MBR, but it will be protected from being overwritten by some older utilities such as disk cloning tools, or something like that. So "Protective MBR" and "Hybrid MBR" are talking about the same installation type as shown in the first row of that table in the earlier post. See this: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...5bb19aa?auth=1

    You know, CSM is supposed to allow BIOS posting with older or legacy firmware such as for video cards and hard drives (so called Option ROMS), on UEFI systems where these firmwares are supposed to have digital signatures. Maybe once you deleted that VGA driver, then the job that CSM was doing became unnecessary? Maybe that is why you were able to disable CSM and still boot, once you already installed Win7. Just a thought. I think the reason we are going back and forth about whether to call it legacy or UEFI boot is because it really is a hybrid type of boot and has features of both, and is missing some features of both.

    Well this has refreshed my memory! I had to go dig out stuff I read before and forgot! Now I got to remember to cook dinner before my wife gets home from work, as I am retired

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    For Win10 privacy, I've been very pleased with this. Works quite perfectly, as far as I can tell. But I don't recommend installing it and adding complexity until you've resolved all your existing WinOS issues, lol.
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    Thanks Korth, I'll have to check out that "fix-windows-privacy" after I've resolved all my existing WinOS issues, if that ever happens LOL. That Fall Creator's Update: Man!

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    I have Enterprise LTSB and that takes care of a lot of privacy issues, and the rest are just a few changes that can easily be done by hand...

    @R5Eandme, I guess Win7 is running good enough efi, and for whatever it's lacking, I'd really like someone to explain what the negative down side is here, if anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackROG View Post
    I have Enterprise LTSB and that takes care of a lot of privacy issues, and the rest are just a few changes that can easily be done by hand...

    @R5Eandme, I guess Win7 is running good enough efi, and for whatever it's lacking, I'd really like someone to explain what the negative down side is here, if anything?
    if you're happy with it then go ahead.
    i've moved on to win10 (native UEFI boot),
    if i'm going back to Win7 (for whatever reason), to save myself the headache, i'll just run my OS in legacy mode.

    i do tip my hat to you for taking the extra length in trying the workaround you showed here.
    should i find the need to want to achieve like what you wanted, i'll try these options too (and thanks for the knowledge on how to-s).

    i've seen quite some amount of self-diligence on your own side, actively figuring out problems yourself. (which, honestly is a rare quality in short supply nowdays)
    no siggy, saw stuff that made me sad.

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    I second Haihane's compliments on your efforts to find solutions to your problems. It takes persistence and it is a great feeling when you solve a problem and acquire some new knowledge along the way, which you've shared with us.

    I don't see a lot of downside to running Win7, it is the best designed windows interface of all. Win10 has incorporated minimalist icons and simplified menus that may be fine on a phone but are ridiculous on a desktop with keyboard and mouse IMO. Also the MS model of fewer but MAJOR updates like Fall Creators Update are like installing a new OS and can cause major disruptions to stable systems. But the Win7 support lifecycle will eventually come to an end. MS will do the security and other updates for several more years. I have noticed that Internet Explorer 11 under Win7 does not render websites well, I think it has an older version of HTML (vers4 instead of vers5?). For example, videos on news websites may not play, and the ASUS support website will not show some menus for driver updates. I have to use Google Chrome under Win7 to get full functionality, and that works fine. But Win7 is still a very good OS. I am learning Win10 to prepare for the future, and also because it is evolving in tandem with UEFI BIOS. I hope to learn some Linux distro as well, maybe Ubuntu. Gotta keep the little gray brain cells happy. Nice discussion! I learn a lot just chasing down facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haihane View Post
    if you're happy with it then go ahead.
    i've moved on to win10 (native UEFI boot),
    if i'm going back to Win7 (for whatever reason), to save myself the headache, i'll just run my OS in legacy mode.

    i do tip my hat to you for taking the extra length in trying the workaround you showed here.
    should i find the need to want to achieve like what you wanted, i'll try these options too (and thanks for the knowledge on how to-s).

    i've seen quite some amount of self-diligence on your own side, actively figuring out problems yourself. (which, honestly is a rare quality in short supply nowdays)
    If you go back to running Win7 for any reason, I would definitely install it on a GPT disk (with Hybrid/Protective MBR) rather than on an old-fashioned legacy BIOS MBR-partitioned disk. That's because the System partition with legacy MBR in Win7 is vulnerable to malware from the runtime OS infecting the boot code with a rootkit infection. As you know, rootkit infections can be hard to detect from OS runtime. If you instead install Win7 on a GPT-partitioned disk, then the boot loader code is associated with the protective MBR, and I believe that is more resistant to attack. I could be wrong, but this is what I believe because with UEFI, the EFI partition that contains the boot loaders is designed to be more resistant from attack by malware running in the OS. Maybe that protective strategy is extended to the protective MBR as well. The hardening against attack of the EFI partition, which contains the boot loaders, is an advantage of Native UEFI installations and Win10.
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    Well I'm on WIndows 7, the install of it, since this post has been going on, and I have no intentions of installing Win10.

    My persistence is because I'm a Slackware Geek, been running Slack a long time, and that's a hands on Linux distro, and I'm a hands on Linux geek that hacks around in Slackware fixing and tweaking things all the time. So this was just another one of those Geeky things, this time for Windows... LOL

    I'm dual boot with Slack/Win7, Slackware is my online System, Win7 is only a gaming box, nothing more, I won't even go online surfing the web in it. In fact I put 127.0.0.1 in the network of IE just to make sure if any apps, or anything tried to take it online. I also disabled the updates, I don't need them, and all I installed is SP1.

    So there's only going to be a few pieces of software installed, to keep it light, fast and bloatfree! WoOT

    Let me tell ya, it runs FAST and I'm loving!

    So I can see the thinking of being an oudated OS, when this is the only OS someone has installed to do everything with, heck I'm sitting here in Slackware typing this, I only go online in Linux, never Windows, that's why I don't need Win10 latest blah blah blah... LOL

    Oh and I do a lot of gaming too in Slackware, never think for a sec that Linux is not a nice gaming platform it is.

    Any gaming emulator I use that in Linux, I've always found them all to run better in Linux.

    I'm using the dolphin-emulator in Slackware, playing Xenoblade Chronicles with...

    PEACE
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