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    Got lucky, 3066MHz booted and runs stable. Until next restart ...

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    Fill your specs in, and post your voltage settings. Also add RTC settings which would help a lot.

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    I am using these timings:

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    adjusted by the following values according to Stilt's Safe 3200MHz preset in BIOS:

    tRAS: 34 -> 28
    tRC: 48 -> 50
    tFAW: 39 -> 36
    tWR: 24 -> 10
    tRDRD SCL: 3 -> 2
    tWRWR SCL: 3 -> 2
    tRFC: 560 -> 307
    tRTP: 12 -> 8
    tRDWR: 7 -> Auto
    GearDown: Enabled -> Disabled


    Further settings:

    ProcODT = 43,6
    RTT NOM = Disabled
    RTT WR = OFF
    RTT PARK = Auto

    CAD_BUS ClkDrv = 30
    CAD_BUS AddrCmdDrv = 30
    CAD_BUS CsOdtDrv = 30
    CAD_BUS CkeDrv = 30

    DRAM Voltage = 1,4V
    SOC Voltage = 1,15V
    VTT DDR Voltage = 0,75V
    Boot DRAM Voltage = 1,4V
    VDDP Voltage = 1V
    CLDO_VDDP Voltage = 866

    DRAM Current Capability = 120%
    DRAM Power Phase Control = Extreme
    DRAM Switching Frequency = Manual
    Fixed DRAM Switching Frequency (kHz) = 300


    Everything else is on Default/Auto

    What are "RTC Settings"?
    Last edited by dusank; 12-28-2017 at 08:22 PM.

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    ROG Guru: Yellow Belt Array syldon PC Specs
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    RTC = Ryzen timing checker. It is a tool created by the stilt to show exactly which timing you have active atm. It does not give advice on what is good/bad. It only displays what is currently active. You can get it from gupstergs information page. But since you are using 1usmus dram calculator, I think you already know of this tool.

    The timings you are using should at least boot.

    I would remove all the voltage settings. They are extreme and throwing too much voltage at your system can cause as many issues as not enough.

    I would redo the bios revision with a safe flashback method to verify that the bios code is stable. Remove the power cable and the Cmos battery for 5 minutes. This is to make absolutely sure the bios is on default settings. To revise the bios when it has bad settings can corrupt or fail to update the EC revision. A bad EC revision can cause some of the issues you are getting.

    I would remove all the excessive voltage settings and just try the timings. You want your Vcore below 1.4v. Usually Offset on plus @0.02500 is enough with LN2 at max 110%. This should keep you at 1.37v. On bios revision 3101. This is the setting I have used for most revisions. I am running Offset on minus @0.00625 with 3.95ghz atm (runs at 1.33v-1.35v).

    Dram I have at 1.35v LN2 at 110% max. Dram voltages vary due to signal strengths so this may not work for you, but start low and work your way up.

    ProcODT is very individual. What works for one may not work for another. It really is a case of suck it and see. The guide is somewhere between 40-96ohms.

    The rest I would leave on auto until you find what boots ok.

    RTT NOM =
    Auto
    RTT WR =
    Auto
    RTT PARK = Auto

    CAD_BUS ClkDrv = Auto
    CAD_BUS AddrCmdDrv = Auto
    CAD_BUS CsOdtDrv = Auto
    CAD_BUS CkeDrv = Auto


    SOC Voltage = Auto. I run at 1.0v. Setting this too high causes my board instability. 1.15v is the guide for the maximum.


    VTT DDR Voltage = Auto
    Boot DRAM Voltage = Auto
    VDDP Voltage = Auto (setting this to around 0.9v may stop some games crashing)
    CLDO_VDDP Voltage = Auto

    DRAM Power Phase Control = Extreme ( this is the default setting )
    DRAM Switching Frequency = Auto

    Leave gear down and power down enabled just until you are stable.

    But if all this fails, then I would contact Asus support and ask them for advice or an RMA on the board.

    Good luck and all the very best for the new year.
    Last edited by syldon; 12-31-2017 at 03:12 PM.

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    Thank you for your reply. I am going to try your suggestions ASAP.

    Please take a look at the RTC screenshot whether it changes anything.

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    Pour féliciter 2018!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusank View Post
    Thank you for your reply. I am going to try your suggestions ASAP.

    Please take a look at the RTC screenshot whether it changes anything.

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    I was not going to bombard you with timings because I feel your fix is in the above. But if you feel you have fixed your issue and want to try to lower your latency or increase stability. Some alternatives that I have seen work are:

    TRRDS 5, TRRDL 8 and TFAW 20. These 3 timings come as a set.

    TWTRS 3 is the only setting I can use with stability, but all timings I see on the OC forum are posted at 4.
    TWTRL 9 works for some speeds for me, just something to try.

    Twr I always leave on auto now. Reducing this can lower latency, but it comes at the cost of stability. It is a wait state to allow the board to catch up.

    TRFC is the total time of a complete set of actions. I think it is a method of telling the IMC when it needs to start a new action. The definition is within gupstergs page. So lowering this while staying stable will reduce latency. Take it too low and it will increase latency. Mine is set to 260 on a stable 3200 setup.
    TRFC2 is whatever you use for trfc / 1.34. So if you change TRFC then change the next two values.
    TRFC4 is trfc2/ 1.625
    The Stilt posted that the board uses only one of these values. How that applies I do not know.

    TRTP 12 is the most stable on my setup.

    Currently I am on 3333. I cannot get above this with stability on the latest bios. By stability I mean a 2 hour run with HCI memtest. Some say that you should run for 8 hours or till 800%, but the memory for Ryzen is not ECC. It is not meant to run without some errors at some point. I have a setting that has been proven stable at 3200 also. I will post both here. I need to apply the bios save with a reboot first. I will also add aida64 timings with each one.

    EDIT added timings

    3200 timings and 3333 timings
    Last edited by syldon; 01-01-2018 at 01:59 AM.

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    So I've tried everything you've suggested.

    But my board did not boot at any frequency above 2800MHz.

    Do you think the board is faulty and should be RMAd? Could not a future BIOS update fix this problem, should I not wait at least for the next one?

    Could not the CPU be the culprit? (quite easier to RMA/replace than having to disassemble the whole PC)

    I would also want to note at this point that the problems with the freezes/restarts have gone away. Right now the board either does not boot up or runs stable in stress tests if it does. But the bootability seems to change slightly over time. Before I could often boot with 3066MHz, never with 3200MHz and almost always with 2933Mhz. Right now I am down to 2800MHz and it happened already that even lower frequencies did not boot at all.
    Last edited by dusank; 01-01-2018 at 11:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusank View Post
    Could not the CPU be the culprit? (quite easier to RMA/replace than to having to disassemble the whole PC)
    IF it is the CPU, this would be the worst IMC I heard of and the issue is that AMD Ryzen is officially not supporting above 2667MHz, so your RMA would most probably be rejected.

    So if this is bothering you that much, I would either wait for updated BIOS hoping to resolve the problem, or try to RMA the board, since your RAM in on QVL list for 3200MHz, but cannot operate at stated frequency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigtran View Post
    So if this is bothering you that much, I would either wait for updated BIOS hoping to resolve the problem, or try to RMA the board, since your RAM in on QVL list for 3200MHz, but cannot operate at stated frequency.
    And where can I find the QVL for C6E that lists 3200MHz DRAM and includes F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigtran View Post
    IF it is the CPU, this would be the worst IMC I heard of and the issue is that AMD Ryzen is officially not supporting above 2667MHz, so your RMA would most probably be rejected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigtran View Post


    So if this is bothering you that much, I would either wait for updated BIOS hoping to resolve the problem, or try to RMA the board, since your RAM in on QVL list for 3200MHz, but cannot operate at stated frequency.



    This would only apply if the board and CPU were purchased as two separate items. If they were bought as a unit, then it changes things dramatically, because the board is listed as a possible 3200 under the QVL list.



    Quote Originally Posted by dusank View Post
    So I've tried everything you've suggested.

    But my board did not boot at any frequency above 2800MHz.

    Do you think the board is faulty and should be RMAd? Could not a future BIOS update fix this problem, should I not wait at least for the next one?

    Could not the CPU be the culprit? (quite easier to RMA/replace than to having to disassemble the whole PC)

    I would also want to note at this point that the problems with the freezes/restarts have gone away. Right now the board either does not boot up or runs stable in stress tests if it does. But the bootability seems to change slightly over time. Before I could often boot with 3066MHz, never with 3200MHz and almost always with 2933Mhz. Right now I am down to 2800MHz and it happened already that even lower frequencies did not boot at all.
    I would talk to Asus support. They will probably ask you to remove the CPU, and then reflash the bios after it has been reset to default. The Flashback method does not require a CPU to be installed. This is what was asked of me, when I successfully RMAed my first CH6.

    You can use the email from them as prove that you have done everything required to get the board to work at the rated speed. Then, If you bought both the board and the CPU from the same place, then I would just throw it back at the vendor. You bought a board that is advertised to do a certain speed provided you used memory from the QVL list.

    If you bought the CPU from a separate vendor, then you are caught between a rock and a hard place. You could try a segfault test. To see if the CPU could be RMAed for a different fault.

    Sorry I could not be of more help. I hope the rest of the day goes better.






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