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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    What timings on your ram?
    As I didn't get Trident Z Ram here in Brasil I bought Corsair Dominator Platinum 2 x 8GB, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-36.
    This is Running now with 1.36V and DDR4-3600, CL16-18-18-36 stabled also in MemTest , Linx and daily use.

    @JustinThyme
    As I am a German (living in Brazil) I chat sometimes with the 8auer in German Forums. I know he is very good in what he do!
    We had many discussions in German Forums about his advice to use LLC6. Some other people who are also very good tested it.
    The result with Asus Boards was, that the best results in order to reach a stable 24/7 OC is to use LLC4.
    According to Intel You must have a VDroop under Load to protect the CPU from VCore overshoot during load changes. This VCore peaks are very short and only can be seen with an oscilloscope.

    So why the 8auer advice to set LLC6?
    As You already wrote, he gave in his Video an example that should (must) work for people who have not so much OC experience.
    Yes in the first stages with a new CPU it is valid to use LLC6 to understand Your CPU and to find out what Voltages You Chip need.
    This doesn't mean, that later there is no place to optimize Your settings and make it running better.

    Let me finally say, that I have no problem, if People are happy with LLC6 and run this 24/7 for the next years. In my case I used 2 weeks LLC5 and since 1 week I am happy with LLC4, what will be my final setting.
    Last edited by MikelMolto; 01-01-2018 at 05:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikelMolto View Post
    As I didn't get Trident Z Ram here in Brasil I bought Corsair Dominator Platinum 2 x 8GB, DDR4-3200, CL16-18-18-36.
    This is Running now with 1.36V and DDR4-3600, CL16-18-18-36 stabled also in MemTest , Linx and daily use.

    @JustinThyme
    As I am a German (living in Brazil) I chat sometimes with the 8auer in German Forums. I know he is very good in what he do!
    We had many discussions in German Forums about his advice to use LLC6. Some other people who are also very good tested it.
    The result with Asus Boards was, that the best results in order to reach a stable 24/7 OC is to use LLC4.
    According to Intel You must have a VDroop under Load to protect the CPU from VCore overshoot during load changes. This VCore peaks are very short and only can be seen with an oscilloscope.

    So why the 8auer advice to set LLC6?
    As You already wrote, he gave in his Video an example that should (must) work for people who have not so much OC experience.
    Yes in the first stages with a new CPU it is valid to use LLC6 to understand Your CPU and to find out what Voltages You Chip need.
    This doesn't mean, that later there is no place to optimize Your settings and make it running better.

    Let me finally say, that I have no problem, if People are happy with LLC6 and run this 24/7 for the next years. In my case I used 2 weeks LLC5 and since 1 week I am happy with LLC4, what will be my final setting.
    Thanks for the advice and response!

    Question about LLC, a lower LLC allows more voltage swing where as a high LLC allows less voltage swing? Or do I have that backwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Thanks for the advice and response!

    Question about LLC, a lower LLC allows more voltage swing where as a high LLC allows less voltage swing? Or do I have that backwards?
    A lower LLC allows the voltage to droop in order to prevent excessive overshoot. Each circuit has an optimal level of droop, which allows overeshoot to be contained within a reasonable threshold. That's why some droop is prefered. Overshoot can be harmful, though. When "dialled out", short-duration voltage excursions can be hundreds of millivolts past the user set VID. Unfortunately, you need an oscilloscope to see it, so we end up with a lot of misconceptions about droop/no vdroop because people rely on software based monitoring.



    Quote Originally Posted by MikelMolto View Post
    So why the 8auer advice to set LLC6?
    As You already wrote, he gave in his Video an example that should (must) work for people who have not so much OC experience.
    Yes in the first stages with a new CPU it is valid to use LLC6 to understand Your CPU and to find out what Voltages You Chip need.
    This doesn't mean, that later there is no place to optimize Your settings and make it running better.

    Let me finally say, that I have no problem, if People are happy with LLC6 and run this 24/7 for the next years. In my case I used 2 weeks LLC5 and since 1 week I am happy with LLC4, what will be my final setting.
    Der8auer is a friend of mine. He is a smart guy, with a good foundation in mechanical engineering and thermodynamics. However, like me, he is but a hobbyist in electronics, so we're not 100% in all the science and mathematics behind these things. In other words, not everything we say about the electrical side of overclocking is gospel.

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    Thanks for the detailed explanation.

    My CPU has been stable with his 5ghz settings. Trying to stabilize a ram overclock now. So far, 3400mhz, 1.36v, 1.2v vccio/system agent voltage. 16 18 38 2t. Any recommendation on what to try next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menthol View Post
    What settings are you using for your Memory, 3200 XMP? at 3200mhz I would try 1.1 to 1.2 for both SA and IO, this can take a little time to test stability and every CPU is different
    I'm using VCCSA & VCCIO @ 1,200 and DRAM @ 1,3530 to get stability with 3.200Mhz
    But my cpu is 4.7Ghz sync all core Vcore 1,1 + VDrop 0,020 and LLC2 ...

    I'm using handbrake x265 10Bit enconding for test (72h test) medium temp 58° (inside core)

    In my test 4.8Ghz Vcore 1,240 Vdrop 0,020 and LLC3 raise the medium temp to 64° (inside core)

    ... but in 10h test is only 12 minutes faster, so I decide to choose lowest temp.
    Last edited by flacer; 01-04-2018 at 02:31 PM.

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