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    Quote Originally Posted by SirEbrum View Post
    As a consumer who purchased this very laptop from NewEgg under two years ago, if Asus does not patch this BIOS, I will move to another company..PERIOD. I've spent thousands of dollars over the last two decades on Asus product and for them to give "..maybe yes, maybe no... just wait" is one of the worst customer expectations you could give.
    Actually ASUS is not the problem here as well as any MB manufacture. The blame belongs squarely on Intel. Until Intel produces the micro code for MB manufactures so they can includes the micro code in their BIOS, its not their fault. So stop blaming them.

    I understand this now encompasses basically every chip Intel has put out in the last ~7 years. I also understand your taking a risk of windows crashes and big hits to performance if you update your BIOS with the new code. Some recommend not to update and I am under that category. Even recommend turning off /pausing Windows updates.

    There's some great information over at www.tweakhound.com

    Just my two cents.
    Last edited by Conners; 01-19-2018 at 08:28 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonis000 View Post
    However when you purchase a product (car, mobile, mobo, etc.) you demand and you are eligible for full support and updates for the entire warranty period. If this period is for example 5 years it means that for the next 5 years the manufacturer is obliged to provide me with full support. This support and full warranty is included in the price I paid.
    So at least for all mobos within their initial or extended warranty period, all manufacturers are obliged to offer full support and updates especially for such a critical security issue like this.
    It should be noted what you have is a LIMITED Warranty. Which means the warranty is limited to things that would be ASUS' fault, like a DIMM slot going bad, a transistor dying.

    The Intel issue is NOT Asus' fault. They are under zero obligation to fix it based on their warranty. Of course when it comes to their newer motherboards they will fix it as Intel sends out the microcode needed. At some point the expense of having to go back, change the BIOS code and test all the previous motherboards becomes too expensive for something they aren't obligated to do. I'm sure every manufacturer of motherboards will come to the same conclusion and each with draw the line where everything on one side of the line gets a fix and on the other side, does not.

    In the end I get that people are upset, but the paranoia is really frightening. For any individual to get hacked using either SPECTRE or Meldown would be extremely uncommon (at this point) and not worth it for most hackers to focus on individuals. Companies and corporations with hundreds and thousands of computers are a much better target. If you are truly that scared, BACKUP! I have image flies of a fresh install put away on an external harddrive. If I get infected boom reimage and all is good. Easy peasy.

    Either way you have a right to be upset, but making demands or threatening lawsuits like I have seen isn't going to get anyone anywhere as it is Intel you should be focusing on. Finally, there are fixes for the older boards. Many people have already used the released microcode to fix their systems. It takes a bit of work but there are good step by step instructions out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchiedrama View Post
    Is there a bios update for spectre yet with the ASUS Maximus Hero x? Nothing on the website and I've read through the forums a fair bit, can't see anything, maybe I'm blind?
    For Maximus X Hero, isn't BIOS 1003 the update to address Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities? If so, I believe it is available on the Maximus X Hero support page.

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    That is my understanding. For the Maximus X Hero and Hero WIFI. I installed BIOS 1003, ran the Powershell Speculation Control commands, ran Windows updates, then ran the Spectre and Meltdown test. Both came up Green and Clean !

    Now if I cold just figure out why I can't see VRM temps in my Hero WIFI BIOS 1003, or in HWiNFO, AIDA, or SIV, I would be good to go. There are a lot of Hero owner's asking the same thing. It seems that the VRM temp sensor was there, and now it isn't. Apparently, there is more than one version of the Hero and Heor wifi and due to a component change, they no longer support VRM temp reporting, despite the picture of a temp sensor there on their website. No one from Asus will comment on this issue.

    But yes - BIOS 1003 should have the microcode patch in it. Worked on mine anyway.

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    ROG Guru: White Belt Array ELIESEH PC Specs
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    Hello all
    There will be a *ME firmware + Interface Update for the x99??
    I don’t understand what is this? Other update security than a bios update? I am so confused 🤔*
    *https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...wn-and-Spectre

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    I did some tests using realbench and found that the patch made my AMD systems slightly faster.

    The only intel systems I have are E5300 (OC@3.1G) desktop and P9600 & T6600 laptops to test with and from tests they are taking massive performance hits with kb4056892 installed on the "Image Editing" "Encoding" & "Heavy Multitasking" tests, OpenCL seems to be unaffected.

    There has been talk on the ROG forums about possible slow downs for image & video editing / rendering.

    My AMD Phenom II x4 840 & FX8350 systems are actually slightly faster post kb4056892.
    P9600 15% slower "Image Editing" & 3% slower "Encoding"compared to Pre kb4056892
    E5300 (OC@3.1G) 18% slower "Image Editing", 32% slower "Encoding" & "Heavy Multitasking" 31% slower compared to Pre kb4056892

    It's kind of interesting to see that I got around 30% less performance in some tests so that 30% figure touted might have been based in reality.

    Also I have noticed my P9600 laptop seems to be unstable since the patch as it has shutdown / rebooted and had explorer crashes, remove the patch and it's stable again.

    There are some registry settings that can disable the patch apparently I have not retested as yet with it disabled by registry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Saknussemm View Post
    Well, that would have to come from ASUS themselves but yes, that would be my expectation.....
    Thanks, that would be also my expectation as well
    I am only asking because my understanding so far, from reading and participating in many technological forums, is that the current microcode issued from Intel and adapted into bios from the mobo manufacturers is more a "first response" beta patch to solve the critical deficiencies, without testing and caring about performance or other issues, and in the future as these performance hits become more obvious and widespread (actually the final user are doing the beta test for Intel and provide feedback) Intel will work on something that will still keep the holes patched but will start to minimize somehow the performance hits.

    To that end and since devil lies in the details I am one of the few users that fears bios updates since some times there are adverse effects (e.g. conflicts in the system, unknown startups, apps not working etc.) and I prefer to keep these to a minimum. So I would much more prefer to install on final "final" bios instead of 1-2-3 bios before finalizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conners View Post
    Actually ASUS is not the problem here as well as any MB manufacture. The blame belongs squarely on Intel. Until Intel produces the micro code for MB manufactures so they can includes the micro code in their BIOS, its not their fault. So stop blaming them.

    I understand this now encompasses basically every chip Intel has put out in the last ~7 years. I also understand your taking a risk of windows crashes and big hits to performance if you update your BIOS with the new code. Some recommend not to update and I am under that category. Even recommend turning off /pausing Windows updates.

    There's some great information over at www.tweakhound.com

    Just my two cents.
    That is not entirely true actually. Intel has made the microcode available late 2017 early 2018. The microcode is already there for the last 20 days. The holes are given and known and the microcode patching them the way they do (i.e. temporarily, with performance hits etc.) is one and only and already in circulation. Now is up to the mobo manufacturers to incorporate that microcode into bios updates or to the brave users to incorporate the microcode into bios versions of their own and then flash those.
    Intel is not going to produce any more microcode for the basic issue. If something is to come from Intel is further newer microcode to adjust (if possible) the performance issues.

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    ROG Guru: Green Belt Array restsugavan PC Specs
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    https://newsroom.intel.com/news/firm...enter-systems/

    *Intel**found lastest microcode *that fixed Spectre for Sandy Bridge Ivy Bridge Skylake and Kabylake also bring system reboot follow Haswell and Boardwell, Next week they’ll release another Beta microcode for test again. There are only Coffeelake and Skylake X were safe now. Skylake X/SP got within minimal performance hit as seen below on processing
    benchmark, However flex I/O benchmark also affected on both Read & Write performance.

    * ***https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-conten...load-table.pdf
    Last edited by restsugavan; 01-20-2018 at 02:42 PM.

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    ROG Guru: Yellow Belt Array Axle Grease PC Specs
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    I patched the microcode for my Rampage V Extreme (BIOS 3801) with i7-5960X. Reboots are slower. The i/o before and after benchmarks are not good.

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    Almost a 50% !!! performance drop for 4K-Q32T1.

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    Glad I don't do any image editing then!

    Last edited by Axle Grease; 01-20-2018 at 07:55 PM.
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