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    Quote Originally Posted by techanalyst View Post
    Right now, Im kinda on here doing what I've done for over 10 years, asked people where they noticed it stable, Chino and Halloween use to help a tremendous amount. Example "heres the results i got with 1.X at 4.4 or 4.6

    Preference not to blow up the cpu :P

    Looks pretty for sure, i plan to clean mine up, it use to cool CPU, Chipset, VRM and the GPUs, now its just doing the cpu
    Right, but if the system is throttling, then using someone else's settings might no be the best remedy as Raja has posted above, until you find out why. We can talk about watercooling and what overclocks are achievable all day, we all share that interest. Just thought you might want to get to the bottom of the problem first

    RE your edit: Try setting a higher LLC firstly
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    Raj, as of this morning I installed a MonoBlock which seems to have cooled it down, previously was using the same CPU block I used on my X99.

    Yes first post, but threads evolve

    Aysberg: before I was able to get 46 with 1.15 but the temps hit 103 on one core then noticed a throttle down, think when I get back home Ill do more testing, before the mono block though she was hitting the 80s over the weekend, now its in the 60s so I have some room

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    Quote Originally Posted by techanalyst View Post
    Raj, as of this morning I installed a MonoBlock which seems to have cooled it down, previously was using the same CPU block I used on my X99.

    Yes first post, but threads evolve

    Aysberg: before I was able to get 46 with 1.15 but the temps hit 103 on one core then noticed a throttle down, think when I get back home Ill do more testing, before the mono block though she was hitting the 80s over the weekend, now its in the 60s so I have some room
    Ahh yes, the subsequent posts didn't state whether throttling was still occurring or not, though, and given there is more to throttling on this platform than thermals, I had to make sure. It is prudent to do so.

    As for temps, 103 Celsius is quite high at 1.15V. Probably an AVX workload. Prime95?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Scone View Post
    Right, but if the system is throttling, then using someone else's settings might no be the best remedy as Raja has posted above, until you find out why. We can talk about watercooling and what overclocks are achievable all day, we all share that interest. Just thought you might want to get to the bottom of the problem first

    RE your edit: Try setting a higher LLC firstly
    When i get back home Ill give her a go but I also have the ram issue, just paid to next day some from Germany (F4-4000C18Q2-64GTZR) and it should arrive tomorrow or Wednesday so maybe ill wait till then (where it doesnt want to boot randomly and i have to hit the reset button 30 times before she does detect the memory).

    Once running though its fine, Prime95 for over 26 hours on weekend, no crashes, just weird boot issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by techanalyst View Post
    When i get back home Ill give her a go but I also have the ram issue, just paid to next day some from Germany (F4-4000C18Q2-64GTZR) and it should arrive tomorrow or Wednesday so maybe ill wait till then (where it doesnt want to boot randomly and i have to hit the reset button 30 times before she does detect the memory).

    Once running though its fine, Prime95 for over 26 hours on weekend, no crashes, just weird boot issue

    That's certainly a strong choice of kit. Before anyone gives you any further settings I'd get that installed firstly.

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    I'd wait until the memory arrives, as memory type/speed can impact how far you can overclock the system. On these CPUs, given temp constraints, I'd utilize the AVX offset parameter. We can deal with later, though.

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    Did some more runs, there is still this wall when moving from 4.4 to 4.6 or even 4.8. This also gets quite obvious by the temperatures staying "low". During the runs HWInfo reads the following data. (42/44/46/48 on all cores during prime 720K no AVX)

    Temps VID <60°C 1,15v/ <70°C 1,20v/ <75°C 1,20v/ <82°C 1,30v

    VCCIN 2.00v (on Auto in BIOS)
    VCCSA 0.864v (on Auto in BIOS)
    VCCIO 1.02 (on Auto in BIOS)
    VRM Temp 62°C / 68°C / 70°C / 89°C

    I seem not to hit any high temperatures, so I think there must be some other limit kicking in?

    PS Don't want to hijack the thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aysberg View Post
    Did some more runs, there is still this wall when moving from 4.4 to 4.6 or even 4.8. This also gets quite obvious by the temperatures staying "low". During the runs HWInfo reads the following data. (42/44/46/48 on all cores during prime 720K no AVX)

    Temps VID <60°C 1,15v/ <70°C 1,20v/ <75°C 1,20v/ <82°C 1,30v

    VCCIN 2.00v (on Auto in BIOS)
    VCCSA 0.864v (on Auto in BIOS)
    VCCIO 1.02 (on Auto in BIOS)
    VRM Temp 62°C / 68°C / 70°C / 89°C

    I seem not to hit any high temperatures, so I think there must be some other limit kicking in?

    PS Don't want to hijack the thread

    What is the wall, exactly? Not stable, or something else?

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    When running multi threaded benchmarks, like the one in CPU-Z I can see an clear improvement from 42 to 44, but from 44 to 46 and 48 it stagnates, while single core gets better quite linear. From 44 to 46 also temperatures and wattage stays nearly the same. So I guess something is not working as intended.

    CPU-Z ST 497,9 / 522,6 / 546,4 / 571,0
    CPU-Z MT 10577 / 11426,9 / 11498,5 / 9593,8
    MT Ratio 21.25 / 21.87 / 21,04 / 16.80

    PS Maybe I need to do more testing, but somehow 46 and up feels not right (48 is quite obvious throttling seeing the MT result), but 48 is not my primary goal,at least not for 24/7 use.

    And thanks for your help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aysberg View Post
    When running multi threaded benchmarks, like the one in CPU-Z I can see an clear improvement from 42 to 44, but from 44 to 46 and 48 it stagnates, while single core gets better quite linear. From 44 to 46 also temperatures and wattage stays nearly the same. So I guess something is not working as intended.

    CPU-Z ST 497,9 / 522,6 / 546,4 / 571,0
    CPU-Z MT 10577 / 11426,9 / 11498,5 / 9593,8
    MT Ratio 21.25 / 21.87 / 21,04 / 16.80

    PS Maybe I need to do more testing, but somehow 46 and up feels not right (48 is quite obvious throttling seeing the MT result), but 48 is not my primary goal,at least not for 24/7 use.

    And thanks for your help.
    Install Hwinfo64 and watch your multiplier, dollars to donuts you're being throttled if scores are similar. I also had the same issue before on the x99, may not be true here but Load Line Calibration had a huge difference, example if i was getting 50 whatever per second and I increase multi and only get 52, I played with LLC and I'd see 62 as an example

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