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    This has all the feeling of long term servicing fyanawmsayin
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    The thing that gets to me is that we chose Intel and paid the Intel premium for their chips because of the performance they provided. That performance was in some part provided by speculative instruction execution keeping pipelines full which have now turned out to be a bad design from a security point of view. Had Intel been doing their job with respect to the design, their chips wouldn't have been as fast and likely wouldn't have commanded as much of a premium.

    I think we are justified in feeling at least a little bit conned.

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    Ironically (and I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out yet), the fact that Spectre and Meltdown affect so many generations of chips clearly means that this is not a new flaw but something that should have been caught and fixed years ago. It's just that Intel, not really needing to do much due to lack of real competition from AMD, just sat and worked on minute generational improvements rather than (for the sake of real performance) potentially working on an alternative for speculative instruction execution.

    It might just be a coincidence (and yes, I know that Project Zero isn't affiliated with Intel), but why was this only discovered after real alternatives for Intel chips were finally available.



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    Is it possible Intel discovered this way longer ago than they claim? Like is it possible they strategically quelled news of it until THEY were ready for us to know? What if they knew for YEARS, but also knew nobody would be able to discover/exploit it for a long time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loaded Glove View Post
    Is it possible Intel discovered this way longer ago than they claim? Like is it possible they strategically quelled news of it until THEY were ready for us to know? What if they knew for YEARS, but also knew nobody would be able to discover/exploit it for a long time?
    It's possible that one of the engineers realized this could be an issue but overall Intel thought an exploit would be impractical for some reason or the report got buried. I doubt it was a company secret for long. A lot of people work at Intel so it would be difficult to keep it a secret for long once more than a few people knew. And if it got out that it was being kept a secret for years it would be incredibly damaging. Plus, if Intel had been sitting on this it would have also worked on a mitigation and had something ready for the day it came to light. Clearly Intel was not prepared for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xeromist View Post
    It's possible that one of the engineers realized this could be an issue but overall Intel thought an exploit would be impractical for some reason or the report got buried. I doubt it was a company secret for long. A lot of people work at Intel so it would be difficult to keep it a secret for long once more than a few people knew. And if it got out that it was being kept a secret for years it would be incredibly damaging. Plus, if Intel had been sitting on this it would have also worked on a mitigation and had something ready for the day it came to light. Clearly Intel was not prepared for this.
    Here is from intel today.



    No anyway to fix Spectre issue from Intel SA-00088 vulnerable only waiting BIOS from your manufacture.
    Linux microcode runtime method also didn't work for our mobos. We should waiting for a long time than we expected.

    Today, my Rampage VI EXTREME had nothing update at all. How long did it take for RAMPAGE II Gene (X58), RAMPAGE IV EXTREME (X79).
    Maybe end of 2018 didn't it?

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    ROG Guru: Grand Master Array Arne Saknussemm PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by restsugavan View Post
    Here is from intel today.
    Interesting...

    Good to see other people writing in to them...the more that do the more seriously the'll have to take it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Strings View Post
    Boy am I glad I went with TR... :P


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loaded Glove View Post
    Is it possible Intel discovered this way longer ago than they claim?
    Entirely possible...also possible it was a open untraceable revolving-front-door kind of back door that was designed in there...
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    What xeromist said,
    Once more than 2 people know something it's going to spread faster than a California wildfire
    I think we are glad to see AMD relevant again but I wouldn't let this make a decision for me, once this fire is contained a new fire will start and everyone will forget about this one

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    Intel lie people... Intel intentionaly start debate about performance decrease and security patches to stop people to discuss about chances for patches to work.
    They can't never ever anull error in Silicon, NEVER. That's lie. They could improve situation but they can't be even close to security of new CPU without error during production.
    Because of that they profit from debate about Performance Decrease... At the end if customers lost 1% they will jump from happines no matter they have Error in Silicon.
    That's smart systematic politic to lead customers from anger because Error in silicon to happines and obedient customers like nothing happen for only 30 days.



    I talk with Intel customer support, they are crazy or I'm crazy.
    They say security update is regular procedure.
    They say nothing about performance lost and about error in silicon.
    Non of people and I know two who work in IT Companies will not turn their PC until replace motherboard and processor.
    But for them is easier because they use computer once a week because they have a lot of jobs and always try to have last and best configuration.
    That doesn't mean to buy every single generation, but they always have strong configuration. Now they wait chance to replace processor-motherboard-memory.
    Because their opinion is that silicon with error can't work as silicon without error. I can't remember what they talk to be about potential negative sides of this, I don't understand whole thing so much but people are full aware how Intel make idiots from customers.

    Believe me or not Intel think that they owe nothing to customers and everything is normal procedure and normal problems in IT industry.
    They lost touch with reality, better to say they exactly know what they do and do that because our mild reactions.
    Intel should get 10.000 request for RMA after 3 days, 20.000 after 5 days, 100.000 after 10 days.
    But profile of customers create profile of seller.


    I know exactly what people with bigger budget should done...
    to switch to Threadripper and forgot on Intel as company, to avoid any news about Intel processors in future.
    For smaller budget 1900X for bigger 1950X and message to Intel Go to Hell.
    Last edited by Vlada011; 01-17-2018 at 05:18 PM.


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