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    Noooo, you don't wanna do it like thaaaat
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    You wanna use Yak's milk...yeah' that's right..Yaks milk. only the purest filtered Yak's milk with maybe a drop of ghee will flush a radiator to any standard!

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    ROG Guru: Yellow Belt Array Marko911 PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abaidor View Post
    Well that is why I asked about cola, because chemistry is always lurking when different materials interact. I am no chemistry expert but that bit I know. So phosphates + copper = oxidation.

    What about a white vinegar solution? I was following a thread at overclock.net with two participants being chemists and they did not pose any concerns regarding the use of vinegar for flushing. I have used vinegar for 24 hours in my old thermochill rads and they are still running great 10 years later - no maintainance - not even once.
    How to explain it for everyone....vinegar will erode your radiator,to put it simple,it's okay to wipe copper coins to "clean" them, but it's not ok to submerge your copper radiator in vinegar for freakin 24h,because vinegar is diluted acid and will gradually dissolve any metal in your loop!That's in direct correlation with time period and acid concentration ..the longer contact between copper and higher conc of acid is ,it will dissolve more copper.So if your copper tubes are thin in radiator,you do the math.Fixed flux inside that don't get rinse off with water,certainly won't get removed by circulating coolant.
    So basically,with vinegar or any other acid,you just get your tubes more thinner and fixed flux is still fixed,it will be dissolved equally as any other radiator surface.
    It's nonsense to do that .Rinse it with water and that's it.Use the cheap deminerilized water or distilled water and that's enough.
    It's metal surface not human circulatory system,you do not need to use triple distilled sterilized water!
    And always pay attention to dilute conc coolant as directed on the bottle.It's so simple and made for dummies,so just read the label.
    P.S you do not need any mayhems blitz cleaning stuff,that's just blatantly stupid product that just gradually destroys your loop rads and blocks.
    I care about since,not about what jay50cents says or any other youtuber.

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    ROG Guru: Brown Belt Array Brighttail PC Specs
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    Btw the new monoblock has arrived and installed. Two things of note with the new one:
    1. I'm not having an issue with an air bubble being trapped in the upper left corner any longer. Before I would tilt the case, get rid of the bubble and it would be back within a day no matter how many times I did this. It was very odd.
    2. This monoblock is cooling my CPU about 7-10 degrees better than the older one. What exactly has caused this, I'm unsure. It could be a better application of thermal paste or a better installation of the block itself. Of course it could also be a better block. The flow is higher for sure. When I first installed the original one I think that the flow was restricted in some sense. Either way I'm able to get an extra 100MHz on the CPU as a result which is pretty nice.

    I find it amazing that two monoblocks supposedly constructed the same way can give two different temps. Like I said, it could be my fault but the installation is pretty simple and it is the same thermal paste as I used the first time, so I think honestly the difference is due to the increased flow rate, which also resolved the bubble issue.
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    It turns out your not an idiot after all, 100mhz and 7 to 10 degrees lower temps sounds like a smart move

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menthol View Post
    It turns out your not an idiot after all, 100mhz and 7 to 10 degrees lower temps sounds like a smart move

    I'm not sure if the $150 CAD is worth that tho. LOL.
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    Brighttail, is your CPU delidded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdman941 View Post
    Brighttail, is your CPU delidded?
    It is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
    99% of *what is put out by reviewers and marketing is 100% conjecture to sell more stuff. Cmon now....silver coils in your loop? Can you say SNAKE OIL? If you actually have 100% pure distilled water, have properly flushed your system and not mixed parts to create a cathodic reaction how are microbial organisms going to be present and flourish?
    Just to clear up some misinformation...

    Silver has been a proven antimicrobial for a LONG time... it's literally the *ONLY* thing that can safely kill MRSA in hospitals, anti-biotic resistant strains of Gonorrhea, etc... Silver is not snake oil, it's science

    Quote Originally Posted by https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2364932/
    The antibacterial activity of silver has long been known and has found a variety of applications because its toxicity to human cells is considerably lower than to bacteria. The most widely documented uses are prophylactic treatment of burns and water disinfection.
    As for how bacteria gets into your loop... there are thousands of bacteria in every cubic inch of air... bacteria is everywhere... you did not assemble your loop inside a vacuum chamber did you? Bacteria will always be in your loop... it is simply a matter of whether you kill them or feed them

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    ROG 師傅 Array Arne Saknussemm PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moloch View Post
    Silver is not snake oil, it's science
    Everyone who has ever killed a werewolf knows this!

    Sorry your loop has gonorrhoea though.

    The point is, any bacteria that get in your loop should starve to death! You should not be running oxtail soup. Maybe some polyextremophile from a meteor could get in there and make a home but this is pretty unlikely...

    Oh and I'm pretty sure flamethrowers can kill MRSA too

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    ROG Guru: Orange Belt Array Abaidor PC Specs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko911 View Post
    How to explain it for everyone....vinegar will erode your radiator,to put it simple,it's okay to wipe copper coins to "clean" them, but it's not ok to submerge your copper radiator in vinegar for freakin 24h,because vinegar is diluted acid and will gradually dissolve any metal in your loop!That's in direct correlation with time period and acid concentration ..the longer contact between copper and higher conc of acid is ,it will dissolve more copper.So if your copper tubes are thin in radiator,you do the math.Fixed flux inside that don't get rinse off with water,certainly won't get removed by circulating coolant.
    So basically,with vinegar or any other acid,you just get your tubes more thinner and fixed flux is still fixed,it will be dissolved equally as any other radiator surface.
    It's nonsense to do that .Rinse it with water and that's it.Use the cheap deminerilized water or distilled water and that's enough.
    It's metal surface not human circulatory system,you do not need to use triple distilled sterilized water!
    And always pay attention to dilute conc coolant as directed on the bottle.It's so simple and made for dummies,so just read the label.
    P.S you do not need any mayhems blitz cleaning stuff,that's just blatantly stupid product that just gradually destroys your loop rads and blocks.
    I care about since,not about what jay50cents says or any other youtuber.


    Vinegar will not erode my radiator simply because it won't stay in there long enough to do so neither at a high enough CONCENTRATION capable of causing any measurable corrosion. It has certainly not done any damage in the past (running those rads cleaned with vinegar for 24h for almost 10 years now)

    This is not coming from the top of my head neither is it nuclear science - the reason I am cautious is because I have not dug into this topic as much as needed in order to be safe. I have dug deep into other complex scientific topics though involving chemistry such us maintaining a saltwater aquarium with corals.

    Anyway, I am scratching the topic since I was absent from the watercooling scene for 10 years (loop running though all these years maintenance free) and I am always doing my research before I act.

    Pleas have a read through this thread at overclock.net where two very informed individuals discuss this topic (on from Hardware Labs & a Chemist major).


    Flushing a radiator

    http://www.overclock.net/forum/61-wa...-radiator.html


    Here is a quote from this thread:

    "Acetic acid also attacks copper, but the rate is slow enough that unless your rad flush took days on end (or you have residual acid in your rad), the corrosion is negligible."


    So yes you are right about vinegar and water soluble flux but it is not a threat to our radiators not even during a 24h bath at a low concentration - we are not talking a about a bath at 100%.


    Another Interesting quote from the Hardware Labs guy..

    "Most drain cleaners have a 50% concentration. For PC applications you really don't have much residue from coolant breakdowns hence a fairly diluted 1:30 mix should do fine.

    People shouldn't worry about about dissolving their radiators just because they flushed them. Much older and heavily worn industrial radiators can survive a mix of 1:10 handily.

    Fill and shake and rinse.

    Drain cleaners really become a corrosion problem anywhere if they are not rinsed properly or if used on already heavily coorroded/pitted surfaces.

    Again, if you have access to a nice automotive radiator flush that doesnt' need neutralizing, you're better off just using that."




    There is nothing special about our radiators vs those used in many other applications and are cleaned using acids. The key as you also mentioned above is time of interaction and acid concentration so if you do it right it is safe, cheap and damn effective.

    As far as water goes where I live I can either use my high-end Reverse Osmosis + Di filter to get as much clean water as I want or get WFI (water for injection) which is also DIRT CHEAP - 1 Euro per liter and is also distilled. And that is what I have been using for the last 10 years - no additives but a few drops of PT Nuke. Never had an issue.


    Here is how I will clean my new rad:

    1) Will connect a tap outlet to one port and run some water for 4-5 minutes with enough pressure to kick the **** out of it (lol). My rad is rated for up to 5bar pressure but it won't get anywhere near that - maybe 2-3 bars. Will shake well in between.

    2) After that I will dilute some white vinegar into 2 liters of filtered water and leave it there for maybe 6 hours to test. Then rinse and maybe repeat. Will also shake well in between.

    3) Will connect the rad to the tap again and run lots of water through it to remove any residue of vinegar.

    4) Will prepare a barrel of water from my RO filter and use a pump to run it through the rad in order to get rid of any tap water salts / metals. Will also give it some shakes.


    This is it once and for all. Then will use it. I will only add clean water and CryoFuel concentrate form EK. No dyes, no colors.


    Honestly if a light solution of vinegar damages a PC rad - then the rad is probably crap to begin with.
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