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    I opened a ticket with EKWB support and reply is no cold plate update for std block. They seem to have discontinued the nickel/plexi block I have from their webstore, also other iterations are reduced. With the ticket I have been sent a €25 store coupon.

    The profile I use on TR/ZE for 24/7 use is only RAM OC, as this profile had under gone testing when I had the EK block I had not rerun Y-Cruncher with Bykski. Now the temps were not differing here enough, what was differing was the average MHz of CPU .

    This one of the 1st screenies I have with this RAM/profile whilst on EK block, when stress testing with Y-Cruncher.

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    Now above is using a differing version of Y-Cruncher and HWINFO, so here another EK one and 5.5hrs, using exact same versions of apps in use currently. OS has had updates paused when I went quad channel as I wanted a fair comparison with the dual channel kit that I had been using before (above/below are all quad channel/same kit/UEFI, etc, only block swapped, coolant reused).

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    We see ~3.5GHz average. On Bykski it's closer to 3.7GHz .

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    I thought "WHAT!?!", gotta be some kinda fluke, so rerun on another repost of rig.

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    I still think come on, this can't be right. Perhaps that day the sun/moon was aligned correctly in Threadripper land. So below is another rerun on following day .

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    Now someones gonna notice and say "gup this can't be true the temps are higher average on Bykski", when I look at CPU Core Power (SVI2 TFN), the 3x Bykski runs use ~40W more core power. So the CPU was sustaining more MHz and using more power. The VRM temps are also higher on Bykski runs.

    I have no explanation for this, other than Bykski on Y-Cruncher equals moar MHz .
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    Makes sense I reckon...the EK block doesn't cover part of the dies so the temps on some parts of the die are going to limit the rest.

    Now you have the whole die covered and heat removed evenly and more efficiently...the die can work at top whak!


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    At the moment I still can't believe it Arne, just keep scratching my head in disbelief.

    All I did was drain fluid from loop in squeezy bottle I use to refill it. Remove hoses related to TR block, remove it, reapply Arctic Silver 5, mount Bykski, reattach hoses, refill with same coolant.

    I know my loaded OS well, nothing is changed on that aspect. UEFI again the same.

    I've been through several screenies for Y-Cruncher on EK block, none does the same averaged MHz as Bykski, all are 3.5GHz on EK, lows/highs similar between both blocks. Power/VRM temp again lower on EK, pointing to MHz was lower. Planning on checking/rerunning other sustained heavy load apps.
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    Mystery solved .

    The UEFI has a bug . Well I believe a SMU quirk . In each screenie with Bykski Y-Cruncher posted before, the SMU power reading for CPU is never below ~180W. This should not be so when CPU had been at lower states prior to being loaded. Here is Bykski on same profile as EK and at ~3.5GHz as SMU bug is not present in this run.

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    I do not believe it is a setting that creates the quirk. I also believe it is not the app loading SMU that does this as I have some CB15 runs which on same profile have excessive scaling IMO.

    For example usual for my 1950X at stock but RAM OC'd is ~3000 points in CB15 with no performance bias in UEFI/OS tweaks, I have several instances of ~3150 points. As usually when I bench I don't use monitoring I had not known why this was happening. I will check and I believe the same SMU quirk is occurring resulting in increased MHz for the higher scoring runs.
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    gupsterg...I've only had half a cup of tea so bear with me... I don't quite get your point...you saying the CPU is boosting higher sometimes independent of temps?

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    My CPU is stock, thus the SMU is full control of CPU. The SMU has a power limit threshold (besides other headroom parameters), I believe 180W for TR.

    When this quirk occurs the SMU is showing a reading of ~180W at idle, all other readings will be as they should be, ie low VID/VCORE, SVI TFN2 readings, only the CPU Package Power (SMU) will be borked. It will show constantly ~180W idle/low, mid and high loads. As the SMU has quirked the CPU for a given application loading it, will not be calculating headroom correctly, thus over boost occurs compared with when it is not quirked .

    I see excessive boost in Y-Cruncher when this quirk occurs.

    I see excessive scaling in CineBench 15 when this quirk occurs.

    So it is not limited to an application.

    I do not know currently why this occurs, but definitely know it is not supposed to be as it is, in quirked instances. As I have too much data to fall back on to know what should be happening.
    Last edited by gupsterg; 02-21-2018 at 09:01 AM.
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    Hmmm...

    Eccentricities are fine if it's your alcoholic uncle or your pipe smoking granny...but in your BIOS....noooo....no sir

    Just how much is Intel paying Elmor to take this holiday....that's what I want to know!

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    LOL , indeed where is Elmor holidaying and who funded it .

    Any how here is CB15, left correct, right quirked. Scores are lower than usual as the monitoring is set to lowest interval it allows, creating some overhead.

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    I now know what to look for.

    I have tried the saved profiles I use, ie 3200Q and 3466SQ and I can not pin point a change within txt log or the settings changes log we see in UEFI upon saving that would highlight why this happen.

    I have also loaded 3200Q then manually made as 3466SQ and then loaded 3466SQ saved profile and seen no change between them in logs.

    Checking each profile I can not also say when it will trip to quirked SMU. I will keep this info under my hat for now. Wait to see if later UEFI exhibit issue, if so then report. Shame I just don't know what is tripping it.
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    ROG 師傅 Array Arne Saknussemm PC Specs
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    Weird...I'm trying to decide if this platform has enough weirdness to be interesting or too much weirdness LOL

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    All good chap IMO . I reckon it's lacking some speedier development as it's not like mainstream like AM4. On say that though I could clearly see TR was much better UEFI at launch than AM4.

    Anyhow back to topic . Here is 7.5hrs Y-Crunching on Bykski, without the SMU quirk, on UEFI 0902, CPU stock, RAM 3466MHz The Stilt.

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    To me the Bykski fin area seemed to small, HardOCP at the time of the review hadn't measured area. So from the review images of other TR blocks we have ~32mm x ~53mm.

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    So made my own template .

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    Few mm overhang on width, near the top/bottom the angled cuts/chunky fin not so good. All in all happy with this block, recently I assessed ~27% cheaper than EK TR block (without their recent coupon) and ~10% more performance plus feature AM3/AM4 support and RGB .
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